FAO. FJR Owners

[ddfjr]

If anyone is interested have a look at this ..............

motors.search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZfjr04

They take about 5 days to arrive but are well worth it and IMHO the quality is 1st class.

DD

[Tigger]

I've already got some...... ;D


Matt

[Pooh(c)]

Orderd some - cheers

[ddfjr]

tigger said:

I've already got some...... ;D


Matt

;D ;D ;D

[Deleted]

Good looking gear Colin, thanks for the link. ;D

[council ( panman )]

look good wanted some thing like that yrs ago

cheers col

[maddogmcq]

Damn! I ordered some plain ones last Friday. I like the look of those with the logo now.

[Reaper]

Ordered and price works out at £13.11 cheap as chips.

Thanks Colin

Better make sure those bungs are done in time fore Scotty run now or will be in the doghouse.

[Fiasco]

I will save the link

Just in case I buy an FJR just as they are going out of fashion

Dave (Fazers are so last year )

[teejayexc]

fiasco said:

I will save the link

Just in case I buy an FJR just as they are going out of fashion

Dave (Fazers are so last year )

As JJ would say many a true word spoken in jest

Trev

[m40man]

Are rear-facing reflective finishes supposed to be red?? I thought white was illegal .

........... I will put off getting an FJR pending clarification as I could not face being a crim!

[Reaper]

Don`t think white reflective material is against the law but white lights are.

[An X-Member]

You'll have them all looking like poncy goldwings in no time lads.

[Reaper]

You just keep saving the pennies for those rear tyres Dave and let us get on with the serious bikes. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

[Tigger]

MEEEEEOWWWWW!!!! ;D ;D ;D

[Ghoti]

m40man said:

Are rear-facing reflective finishes supposed to be red?? I thought white was illegal .

........... I will put off getting an FJR pending clarification as I could not face being a crim!

Slow day in the office, so...
For the following, light includes reflective material.


(2) No vehicle shall be fitted with a lamp which is capable of showing any light to the rear, other than a red light, except-

(a) amber light from a direction indicator or side marker lamp;
(b) white light from a reversing lamp;
(c) white light from a work lamp;
(d) light to illuminate the interior of a vehicle;
(e) light from an illuminated rear registration plate;
(f) light for the purposes of illuminating a taxi meter;
(g) in the case of a bus, light for the purposes of illuminating a route indicator;
(h) blue light and white light from a chequered domed lamp fitted to a police control vehicle and intended for use at the scene of an emergency;
(i) white light from a red and white chequered domed lamp, or a red and white segmented mast-mounted warning beacon, fitted to a fire service control vehicle and intended for use at the scene of an emergency;
(j) green light and white light from a chequered domed lamp fitted to an ambulance control vehicle and intended for use at the scene of an emergency;
(k) blue light from a warning beacon or rear special warning lamp fitted to an emergency vehicle, or from any device fitted to a vehicle used for police purposes;
(l) amber light from a warning beacon fitted to-

(m) green light from a warning beacon fitted to a vehicle used by a medical practitioner registered by the General Medical Council (whether with full, provisional or limited registration);
(n) yellow light from a warning beacon fitted to a vehicle for use at airports;
(o) light of any colour from a traffic sign which is attached to a vehicle;
(p) reflected light from amber pedal retro reflectors;
(q) reflected light of any colour from retro reflective material or a retro reflector designed primarily to reflect light to one or both sides of the vehicle and attached to or incorporated in any wheel or tyre of-

(r) reflected light from amber retro reflective material on a road clearance vehicle;
(s) reflected light from yellow retro reflective registration plates;
(t) reflected light from yellow retro reflective material incorporated in a rear marking of a type specified in Part I Section B of Schedule 19 and fitted to-

(u) reflected light from orange retro reflective material incorporated in a sign fitted to the rear of a vehicle carrying a dangerous substance within the meaning of the Dangerous Substances (Conveyance by Road in Road Tankers and Tank Containers) Regulations 1981[16] or the Road Traffic (Carriage of Dangerous Substances in Packages etc) Regulations 1986[17]

[m40man]

Illegal then ?

[m40man]

"(q) reflected light of any colour from retro reflective material or a retro reflector designed primarily to reflect light to one or both sides of the vehicle and attached to or incorporated in any wheel or tyre of-

(ii) a solo motor bicycle or motor bicycle combination; "

................ or not

[m40man]

Illegal, I reckon! Those FJR boys & their errant ways!

[Ghoti]

That's my take in it too (but I'm not a copper, lawyer, barrister etc).

The

"(q) reflected light of any colour from retro reflective material or a retro reflector designed primarily to reflect light to one or both sides of the vehicle and attached to or incorporated in any wheel or tyre of-

(ii) a solo motor bicycle or motor bicycle combination; "

is for reflectors on the wheel or tyre (ie kiddies side reflectors through the spokes things I think).

As you say, those FJR boys are just 'ooligans, not like them Fazer chaps

[Tigger]

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MOTORCYCLE MOT TEST

Extracts reproduced from the MOT Inspection Manual
by kind permission of THE VEHICLE INSPECTORATE.

MOT Manual for Bikes (Detailed Version)


1.1 Front & Rear position lamps 2.1 Steering Control 3.1 Brake Controls 5.1 Security
1.2 Headlights 2.2 Steering System 3.2 Brake Systems 5.2 Suspension & Wheel Bearings
1.3 Stop Lamps 2.3 Front Suspension & Wheel Bearings 3.3 Brake Performance 5.3 Wheel Alignment
1.4 Rear Reflectors 2.4 Rear Suspension & Wheel bearings 6.1 Horn (Audible Warning)
1.5 Direction Indicators 2.5 Wheel Alignment (Solo machine) 4.1 Tyres
1.6 Headlamp Aim 4.2 Wheels
1.4 Rear Reflectors
Information Method of Inspection Reason for rejection
This inspection applies to: all machines except those which either have no front or rear position lamps or have such lamps permanently disconnected, painted over or masked that are
. only used during daylight hours, and
. not used at times of seriously reduced visibility

If this situation occurs the machine presenter should be issued with an advisory notice recording the above and it should also be recorded on the carbon copy of the VT20.

Statutory reflectors
Mopeds and motor bicycles require one unobscured red reflector which is aligned to the vehicles longitudinal centre line and is positioned to reflect squarely to the rear. If the motorcycle is fitted with a side car the side car will also require a reflector fitted towards the nearside and positioned to reflect squarely to the rear.

Extra reflectors
fitted to a motorcycle are
not included in this inspection.

Reflecting and Retroreflective tape
must NOT be regarded as a substitute for an obligatory reflector.

1. Check the presence and colour of the rear reflector (two in the case of a motorcycle combination, one on the motorcycle and the other on the side car), (see information column).

2. Examine the reflectors) for condition. security position and that it is not
obscured.

1. There is not one unobscured RED reflector (in the case of a motorcycle combination one on the machine and one on the side car) positioned to reflect squarely to the rear

2. A reflector
a. so damaged, dirty or deteriorated that its function is impaired

b. obscured

c. insecure

d. obviously incorrectly positioned

Issue Date : July 2001


So it wouldn't fail an MOT becaues of it. So would it be illegal?/

Matt

[Tigger]

OR...........................
Legislation that applies to vehicle livery schemes includes the Road Vehicle
Lighting Regulations, 1989 (‘the RVLR’), which restricts the colour, size and
positioning of reflective materials to the rear and sides of vehicles. Regulations
relating to the rear of vehicles are clear, whilst those relating to the sides are
somewhat more vague. Advice from the Department for Transport (Working
Group Report for ACPO Traffic, 1997) indicated that amendments to the
RVLR would be possible, but only with ministerial support. Basically, the
RVLR prohibits the fitment of any other than red retro-reflectors to the rear of
vehicles, except in a few very specific instances.

[Fiasco]

I think the police would struggle to prosecute on this one

Most of the old judges and lords probably have them on their FJR's too


Dave ;D

[Tigger]

(2) No vehicle shall be fitted with a lamp which is capable of showing any light to the rear, other than a red light, except-

(q) reflected light of ANY colour from retro reflective material (like the panels in question) OR a retro reflector designed primarily to reflect light to one or both sides of the vehicle and attached to or incorporated in any wheel or tyre of-


(i) a pedal cycle and any sidecar attached to it;


(ii) a solo motor bicycle or motor bicycle combination; or

So personally I think we Illegals are very legal but thats my own untrained in a court of law opinion


Matt

[Dame judgejools44]

Just go past a cop car in the dark and see what happens!? Easiest way of working out what's right and wrong! ;D

[Dame judgejools44]

teejayexc said:

fiasco said:

I will save the link

Just in case I buy an FJR just as they are going out of fashion

Dave (Fazers are so last year )

As JJ would say many a true word spoken in jest

Trev

So true! ;D

Is Dave getting bored of the Fazer then!? Maybe you should trade it in for a better bike....like a Divvy!!

[Ghoti]

tigger said:

(2) No vehicle shall be fitted with a lamp which is capable of showing any light to the rear, other than a red light, except-

(q) reflected light of ANY colour from retro reflective material (like the panels in question) OR a retro reflector designed primarily to reflect light to one or both sides of the vehicle and attached to or incorporated in any wheel or tyre of-


(i) a pedal cycle and any sidecar attached to it;


(ii) a solo motor bicycle or motor bicycle combination; or

So personally I think we Illegals are very legal but thats my own untrained in a court of law opinion


Matt

I did put

Hmm, as long as it is not a standard fit, then it does look like you can have any colour. Well spotted that Tigger (or should that be well striped that Tigger?).

here, but on re-reading, I think the or is between reflective material and reflector, meaning either have to be fitted to the wheel (as Pooh as now confirmed).

I'm changing it here so I don't look so foolish!

[General Gman]

judgejools44 said:

teejayexc said:

As JJ would say many a true word spoken in jest

Trev

So true! ;D

Is Dave getting bored of the Fazer then!? Maybe you should trade it in for a better bike....like a Divvy!!

He's looking for something more his style...... I'll tell me sis I might have a buyer for her 125 Varadero - might be too quick for him though.....

[Dame judgejools44]

Hehehe....I think he'll suit it!!

[Pooh(c)]

Have to say I don't think they are legal in the UK .

Having done some research and spoken to Inspector at local Traffic Office, Highways Agency and finally DOT

The consensus is that even though it is reflective light, it has to be red to the rear, with some exceptions like yellow for the number plate. White seems like a major no no.

(q) reflected light of any colour from retro reflective material or a retro reflector designed primarily to reflect light to one or both sides of the vehicle and attached to or incorporated in any wheel or tyre of-
(i) a pedal cycle and any sidecar attached to it;
(ii) a solo motor bicycle or motor bicycle combination; or
(iii) an invalid carriage;

The exemption Tigger is referring to only applies if the reflective item is incorporated into the wheel of items (i) to (iii)

Bugger

They do look good though. Seems like a bit of a waste of £13. Hey Ho - ain't the end of the world