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Post by m40man on Mar 29, 2007 9:04:46 GMT
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Post by alpaholic on Mar 29, 2007 9:35:16 GMT
Speed doesn't contribute to many crashes. Bike emmisions are low in use (because we don't queue in traffic.)
However I find it pretty hard to frame an argument against speed limiters since the law already prevents us going any faster than 70mph anyway.
Is it ok to object to things without a logical case?
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Post by beeblemaster on Mar 29, 2007 9:39:46 GMT
Don't think it's worth arguing until we know what speed they are thinking about limiting to...
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Post by m40man on Mar 29, 2007 9:51:19 GMT
I wasn't arguing, Beebs. Are you spoiling for a row??
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Post by beeblemaster on Mar 29, 2007 9:54:40 GMT
I wasn't arguing, Beebs. Are you spoiling for a row?? I thought it was called punting where you're from... |
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Post by Ghoti on Mar 29, 2007 9:59:52 GMT
Isn't there already a gentleman's agreement not to produce bikes that will do more than 186mph? What more limit do we need?  How is a bike restricted to, say 70 mph, going to be any safer than an unrestricted one going down an icy country lane? Or stop cars pulling out on the motorcycle? What happens when you go to Germany? How many bike accident happen at 'excessive' speed. Although many crashes occur because of speed, this is inappropriate speed (ie trying to take a 40mph bend at 50mph for example). If excessive speed is a major factor in bike crashes (not just excessive speed for the conditions), then I would probably be a little bit in favour of it. |
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Post by Andy-Red-Divi on Mar 29, 2007 11:19:04 GMT
Speed doesnt kill you... its hitting the w**ker in the car that pulls out in front of you that does!
Andy
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2007 11:43:14 GMT
I'd be all in favour of speed limiters if they propose to limit all traffic and not just Bikes. Depending on what the limits would be. Accelleration limiting is a different matter.
After all the government knows best, especially as those proposing this have probably never been near a Bike in their lives.
We really should stop running into cars you know.
Mind you the 170mph tit, and his like, who got caught after posting on the web are to blame for this hysteria.
Dunc
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Post by Ghoti on Mar 29, 2007 11:43:32 GMT
Speed doesnt kill you... its hitting the w**ker in the car that pulls out in front of you that does! Andy Careful there, Top Gear got in hot water with comments like that after Hamster's close call. (Andy's quote edited - language) |
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Post by staki900 on Mar 29, 2007 11:48:52 GMT
MCN did a piece on thsi a few months ago. I think the tester said he felt teh bike to be more dangerous because all of a sudden you ran out of go at inappropriate times. There was also a piece on BBC news this morning at about 6.45. A rep of MAG was on and aquitted himself very well. He put across his points very well and remained calm and unflustered. A great advert for MAG |
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Post by Andy-Red-Divi on Mar 29, 2007 11:54:29 GMT
Careful there, Top Gear got in hot water with comments like that after Hamster's close call. Just goes to show that speed doesnt kill... its the stopping that almost killed him! ;D |
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Post by apricot on Mar 29, 2007 12:40:06 GMT
Speed doesnt kill you... its hitting the w**ker in the car that pulls out in front of you that does! Andy Agree with you there Andy, noticed down here they are showing the 'think bike' adverts again where a car driver fails to look correctly and causes another funeral. Every little helps. Ady |
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Post by General Gman on Mar 29, 2007 13:52:49 GMT
Speed doesnt kill you... its hitting the w**ker in the car that pulls out in front of you that does! Andy Agree with you there Andy, noticed down here they are showing the 'think bike' adverts again where a car driver fails to look correctly and causes another funeral. Every little helps. Ady Speed doesn't kill..... unless you inject it into your eyeballs on a daily basis..... |
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Post by Andy-Red-Divi on Mar 29, 2007 14:04:37 GMT
Agree with you there Andy, noticed down here they are showing the 'think bike' adverts again where a car driver fails to look correctly and causes another funeral. Every little helps. Ady Speed doesn't kill..... unless you inject it into your eyeballs on a daily basis..... LOL. ;D |
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Post by suzukikidontheloose53 on Mar 29, 2007 15:08:34 GMT
What about Bush and Blair dropping inflatable bombs on countries like Iraq in future,that would reduce emissions and save lives  And why doesn't my MP have an email address  Oh I think I've figured that one out  |
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Post by General Gman on Mar 29, 2007 15:34:02 GMT
you want to get hold of your mp ? go here : www.theyworkforyou.compop in yer postcode and then click on the send a message link. |
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Post by suzukikidontheloose53 on Mar 29, 2007 16:21:46 GMT
Cheers Gurni have sent him a message via that page of yours.I'll need to put it in my favourites WriteToThem.com (home) All done... We'll send your message now If, for some reason, we couldn't send your message to your representative, we will email you to tell you. Otherwise, you can sit back and relax — your message is on its way. Please send us any thoughts, complaints or comments about this service. Meanwhile... Start a long term relationship with your MP |
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Post by Ghoti on Mar 29, 2007 16:28:12 GMT
Meanwhile... Start a long term relationship with your MP Unless s/he is married or you are under 16. That just gets them in loads of trouble |
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Post by jeepster1 on Mar 29, 2007 16:59:42 GMT
Yet again MCN is putting the cat amungst the pidgeons, I don't think it will ever happen, mainly because as were forever being told that bikes only makeup 1% of the motoring public. if it did i'm sure there will be a way to defeat the system, like disconnecting the speedo cable or wrapping the gps ariel in tin foil.
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Post by HRHpenfold on Mar 29, 2007 17:42:45 GMT
Cheers Gurni have sent him a message via that page of yours.I'll need to put it in my favourites WriteToThem.com (home) All done... We'll send your message now If, for some reason, we couldn't send your message to your representative, we will email you to tell you. Otherwise, you can sit back and relax — your message is on its way. Please send us any thoughts, complaints or comments about this service. Meanwhile... Start a long term relationship with your MP i have, he keeps telling me that labour have created loads of jobs, i remined him that they are all low paid jobs, or goverment jobs, and that labour only seems interested in big companies and this is due to the amount of regulation labour have created, he dont like me ;D |
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Post by pebbles on Mar 29, 2007 17:49:34 GMT
in 1975 a friend of mine was riding down a minor road
in the town i lived he slowed down coming up to the school
we were doing about 25 mph a child ran out he threw the bike missed the kid but died in doing so.
in 1977 i was following my girlfriend along the A2 something
distracted her for a second and she went into the back of a small van, 85 mph i watched as she and bike flew thro the air a complete somersault then hit the road a cut on her hand and leg
was all,limit or not in the end is it in your hands if your number is up or not
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Post by General Gman on Mar 29, 2007 18:36:47 GMT
in 1975 a friend of mine was riding down a minor in the town i lived he slowed down coming up to the school we were doing about 25 mph a child ran out he threw the bike missed the kid but died in doing so. in 1977 i was following my girlfriend along the A2 something distracted her for a second and she went into the back of a small van, 85 mph i watched as she and bike flew thro the air a complete somersault then hit the road a cut on her hand and leg was all,limit or not in the end is it in your hands if your number is up or not Exactamundo. The worst crashes I've had have been on the slowest bikes (ts50, dt50, rd200, superpooperdream). Well almost - biggest was on me elsie, hitting the side of a car at about 70mph.workmates were impressed cos the 15 ft rubber mark on the tarmac was left with the front... the back tyre was about 6 inches in the air.Speed wasn't a factor, stupidity was. I was lucky and got away with a bruised ankle, but when yer numbers up..... nowt you can do about it. |
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Post by knight on Mar 29, 2007 19:10:57 GMT
I would not be in favour of speed limiters in any shape or form.
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Post by pebbles on Mar 29, 2007 20:12:15 GMT
a big no to limiters and a bigger no to inflatable bombs use the
real thing if u do not put a stop to countries like those our
kids and grandkids will be the ones that die from the fallout
and if u think they wouldnt use em if they had em thats your first
mistake and if u think racist forget it not in any shape or form
i just know pure evil when i see it
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Post by rollingwreck on Mar 29, 2007 20:30:06 GMT
Speed limiters ROFLMAO..... What next? Stabilisers on GP bikes? ;D Funny ain't it how us bikers get all narked off when some rule is passed that is actually trying to save our necks; First it was the compulsory wearing of helmets, then the 12bhp law for learners, then the theory test, then the 33bhp restrictions for newbies, then the 'gentlemans agreement' of a 186mph limit, and now this....... What's really funny is that I bet bikers all protested and moaned before the above rules were passed...... and what happened?...... the rules were passed anyway  Democracy ? Blah *enter sarcasm here*  In closing I did once read a report suggesting that all bikes in Europe should be single cylinder automatics limited to 50bhp !! Somehow, the idea of a speed limiter doesn't seem so scary now. |
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Post by suzukikidontheloose53 on Mar 29, 2007 20:49:30 GMT
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Post by pebbles on Mar 29, 2007 20:52:29 GMT
only if they do the same to police bikes especialy the one that chased me up chatham hill ,getting stopped by a bmw was worse
than paying the fine it was night tho so not to many people saw
it
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Post by billywhizz on Mar 29, 2007 21:11:39 GMT
Giving evidence to the committee, transport author Stephen Plowden said he could not see why anyone needed a bike with a top speed of more than 65 mph.
perhaps taken out of context,
but have a vehicle capble of using a motorway, but unable to achieve national speed limits =
how dangerous is that !
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Post by General Gman on Mar 29, 2007 21:17:31 GMT
After all our own country is full of binge drinkers falling about the place every weekend
You've seen Jools out in Ruislip, then..... ;D ;D
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Post by teejayexc on Mar 29, 2007 21:19:34 GMT
Alright how do you lot set your suspension up then ?  All this talk of hyper - speed. I know if I hit a speed limiter at 20 mph it makes my a**e feel like Deerfoods been lodging the night! So how the hell do you lot manage to ride over them at warp speed? Or have I lost the thread somewhere  trev |
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