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Post by harrier on Mar 5, 2007 19:38:45 GMT
Hi there, im new to the group, ive just bought a 600 diversion on an L plate, and its my first bike!!
The bike had a a collector box made out of a string vest, so took the exhaust off today, and with the help of my mig welder and some steel tube, managed to repair it. woo hoo i didnt fancy paying 150 quid for new pipes when it was only the collector that was holy !! Anyway, i need to change the fork seals, and have orderd those and they should be arriving soon.
Apart from those problems the rest of the bike seems ok, ive taken it round the block and everything else seems ok.
My question is this , what type engine oil should i use? im a bit confused with what it says in the manual as its got 2 differnat ones, both for differant tempratures, so im a bit flumoxed!
What oil would you recommend and am i right in thinking i need 2.6 liters, im changing the filter as well.
Ah well thanks for reading and you can probably tell im new to bikeing!!
Cheers
Lee
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Post by General Gman on Mar 5, 2007 20:09:57 GMT
First rule with oil : ignore TDM's recommendations ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png) second: buy semi-synthetic or plain ole mineral oil that has the JASO MA certification (if not, go for API SG..).Don't waste money on fully synthetic oil for a divvy - the motors are so lowly tuned, you'll never need it. And when you drain the old stuff out, sell it to M40Man as chain lube.
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Post by harrier on Mar 5, 2007 20:17:43 GMT
Hi gurninman, thanks for the reply. Im not sure weather to use10w30 or 20w40, but thanks for telling me about the semi-synthetic oil. cheers lee
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Post by Dame judgejools44 on Mar 5, 2007 20:18:08 GMT
Christ Lee, you sound like me and my 600 (Helga), same things wrong...lol
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Post by General Gman on Mar 5, 2007 20:22:10 GMT
Hi gurninman, thanks for the reply. Im not sure weather to use10w30 or 20w40, but thanks for telling me about the semi-synthetic oil. cheers lee ahhh... I see... Id' go for 10w/40...... std stuff. I use 10W/40 semi synth in my gixxer, and am best friends with the redline.... does the job a treat
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Post by cookystheone1 on Mar 5, 2007 21:06:03 GMT
Use 10/40 semi synthetic or plain mineral oil, but only motorcycle oil, not car oil, (but you probably know that). Semi synthetic will go for 6000 miles. If it starts sludging you need to give it a good run of 40 miles to really run it hot (not thrash it) it doesnt matter how many times you change it over the winter it still sludges, unless you give it a run. Always change the filter every year, OK?
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Post by 2old2boogie on Mar 5, 2007 21:10:45 GMT
Ah well thanks for reading and you can probably tell im new to bikeing!!
Hi Lee
You are not doing too bad for a newbie! You've already patched up the Collector Box in typical Divvy Rider fashion!
And you are about to tackle the fork seals!
THat's a pretty good start! Whats next? Gearbox rebuild?
Gurninman has put you right regarding the oil. Use 10/40W semi-synthetic.
Get a copy of Reapers excellent DVD for the Div6 which is invaluable for a newbie running a 600.
Welcome to the Divvy Club
Jim
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Post by harrier on Mar 5, 2007 21:52:23 GMT
Hello again!! , thanks for all the reply's - much apreciated!! Im a Mechanic by trade , worked on cars trucks and buses, and harrier jets when i joined the navy. but now ive moved onto bikes, and to be honest have really enjoyed working on my bike over the past few days,normally i hate the spanners but this is differant you know, and it smells better too... ha ha .
Ive been looking through the manual and im getting ready to strip the forks, to change the seals, ill let you know how i get on thanks once again.
Lee
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Post by CD on Mar 6, 2007 8:11:17 GMT
I use Castrol Acetevo 4 stoke scooter oil. It's semi synthetic SAE 5W-40, API SG, JASO MA and meets JASO T903. The bottle says scooter oil, but its 4 stroke stuff and meets the JASO specs so who cares. It also cost £1 a litre from M & P :-D
The big thing with Japanese bikes seems to be they last MUCH longer if the oil is changed regularly. As a minimum, it should be changed on TIME OR MILAGE. So if the bike isnt used much the oil should still be changed. The anti wear additives are damaged by contamination, so if the oil isn't mechanically mashed up, it will be depleted over time.
To my mind, if the oil hasn't had much use the filter could stay in for the prescribed mileage rather than the time limit. But that's only my opinion. Other more qualified people will know better.
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Post by werner1 on Mar 6, 2007 8:36:20 GMT
I use Castrol semi-synthetique 10w40 grand prix ![](http://www.louis.de/_10191ab5c24bd5e6229369784028bc9f41/shop/img250/10028202-3.JPG) Works fine , look at this camschaft after 100.000km No pitting, no coloration, no wear at all ![](http://images.fotopic.net/ymyccj.jpg)
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Post by beeblemaster on Mar 6, 2007 9:52:55 GMT
I've put Texaco Havoline 10/40 semi-synth in my TDM and it's running perfectly well.
Got it for about £11 for a 5-litre container (black and red) from Morrisons petrol, so much cheaper than buying bike oil.
The only thing I've had to do is a slight adjustment on the clutch as I had trouble finding neutral while stationary, but don't know if this was due to the change in oil or not.
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Post by billywhizz on Mar 6, 2007 10:06:42 GMT
yep 10w 40 oil is the correct one, BUT oil and filter should be changed EVERY 4000 miles.
The reapers DVD show an excellent 600 having it's forks stripped and oil changed, (didn't need seal!) so the DVDs can be very usefull, and there are super tips to help. and you can SEE them being done. best of luck and welcome
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Post by alpaholic on Mar 6, 2007 10:08:42 GMT
Use 10/40 semi synthetic or plain mineral oil, but only motorcycle oil, not car oil, I've never seen any evidence of this at all. Would you care to list the differences between bike and car oil. ....and if you're going to include the words friction modifiers could you link to a definition and an clear explanation. AFAIK the best oil for a Divvy 600 in the UK is 10W40 tested to API SL/SJ/SG, ACEA A3. The only oil standard tested with a wet clutch is JASO MA so you might prefer to go with oil tested to JASO MA standards. Personally I go for 10W40 API SL/SJ/SG, ACEA A3.
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Post by alpaholic on Mar 6, 2007 10:10:25 GMT
yep 10w 40 oil is the correct one, BUT oil and filter should be changed EVERY 4000 miles. Hmmmmmm. Maybe changing more often than 4k is a good idea. However I read somewhere that it's worth leaving the filter on for the full duration (8k miles?) because the filter will work better with time, which makes sense.
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Post by welshy on Mar 6, 2007 10:12:08 GMT
I think I remeber the Haynes manual stating that you need to change the sump plug for a new one every time you change the oil. Do people actually do that or is it Haynes/Yamaha being over the top. I'm changing mine for the first time on the weekend so it would be good to know if I need to pick one up. Cheers
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Post by billywhizz on Mar 6, 2007 10:29:32 GMT
sumpplug ! the crush washer should be changed each filter change, but as long as the sumpplug has no rounded edges, re use. only becomes a problem when the nut loses it's edges and the sockets don't fit it anymore !
Alpaholic.... I would not leave the filter for 8k, recommended service for the 600 is 4k, and some people change oil every 2k then filter every other change..
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Post by teffort on Mar 6, 2007 10:30:22 GMT
Welshy Haynes states you should change the sump plug WASHER after every oil change. I doubt that many people do this - should be able to go several changes before new washer is needed. Main thing to remember about the sump plug is never to overtighten it. Another job where its best to use a torque wrench.
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Post by alpaholic on Mar 6, 2007 10:39:24 GMT
Alpaholic.... I would not leave the filter for 8k, recommended service for the 600 is 4k, and some people change oil every 2k then filter every other change.. I've double checked the service interval for the Divvy 6 is 4k miles and you change the filter every other service, so 8k for the filter would seem to be correct. Where are you getting your information from, can you cite it? My owners manual and the Haynes both agree on 8k for a filter. I totally agree that some change oil every 2k miles and filter every 4k. (I used to myself.) However I now leave my filters to the manufacturers suggested interval and double up on oil changes IYSWIM.
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Post by billywhizz on Mar 6, 2007 10:43:26 GMT
alpoholic That info from yamaha, and their service manuel, as written in the service manuel passed over to the owners of new bikes, from yamaha and the dealers.. sorry i cant copy it, etc, as passed that service manuel on to the new owner...
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Post by alpaholic on Mar 6, 2007 10:55:18 GMT
alpoholic That info from yamaha, and their service manuel, as written in the service manuel passed over to the owners of new bikes, from yamaha and the dealers.. sorry i cant copy it, etc, as passed that service manuel on to the new owner... Weird. The 2000 divvy owners manual and 1994 divvy owners manual say 4000 oil only 8000 oil+filter. Haynes seems to agree with those two manuals. I guess they weren't all the same for some reason.
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Post by Welsh Ade on Mar 6, 2007 11:23:08 GMT
Just to add to this never use Halfords carp oil.
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Post by m40man on Mar 6, 2007 11:31:19 GMT
I have always used, & will continue to use, car oil for my bikes. (I'm so tight that if I had any doubts about the care car oil offered my engines, I'd change. Engines are expensive to replace or repair.)
I personally always change the filter at the same time - & always before the oil change is 'technically' due. This might seem excessive - but it's still cheaper than changing filter every other time, using expensive bike oil!!
Maybe we could discuss which filter to use ?? ;-)
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Post by alpaholic on Mar 6, 2007 11:42:33 GMT
I have always used, & will continue to use, car oil for my bikes. ) My Dad has always used car Oil. (50 years of biking - old enough to be a Fredo!) I used bike oil for 10 years until last year on the basis that there was no smoke without fire and that if people thought bike oil was different then perhaps it was. I never really believed there was a difference between car and bike oil [1] and after 10 years with no solid factual reason why car and bike oil differed I asked one last time on UKRS and YDC and then gave up on bike oil. Louise and I now both use car oil. [1] Except JASO MA which as GM says is tested on wet clutches.
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Post by apricot on Mar 6, 2007 11:49:19 GMT
"I use 10W/40 semi synth in my gixxer, and am best friends with the redline"
You need to be GM, as Mr Needle and Mr Redline never see each other ;D
"Just to add to this never use Halfords carp oil."
er, why Ade? I use Halfords 10w40 semi-synth (the car stuff lol)and change it every 6 months, with a filter change every other time. I change more than the prescribed schedule as living on the Island the bike gets lots of short, thrashy runs which is obviously harsher on the engine than a good long trip. Shes done about 24k now and still 'healthy'.
Do you know of a similar priced alternative thats better? If so I'll use it. Am due to do a change before the Postcombe meet.
Ady
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Post by m40man on Mar 6, 2007 11:58:26 GMT
I have always used, & will continue to use, car oil for my bikes. Hmm - Actually it's confession time! I have used Castrol fully synth bike oil - on the Fazer! And I once used fully-synth on my 1st Trophy too - but that wasn't bike specific! ......... maybe that's why I sold them - couldn't afford to run them ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png) Like Apricot, I'd like to know what you have against Halfords, Ade ![???](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/huh.png)
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Post by alpaholic on Mar 6, 2007 12:53:17 GMT
Do you know of a similar priced alternative thats better? Ady Or even a non-similar priced alternative.
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Post by Fiasco on Mar 6, 2007 13:29:12 GMT
Just to add to this never use Halfords carp oil. Totally disagree Ade, I have always used Halfrauds semi skimmed and never had a problem. Changed to Motul once on a Hein Gerricke deal, and drained it within a couple of hundred miles as I had clunky gears. Put the Halfrauds stuff back in and it was fine. Dave ;D
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Post by suzukikidontheloose53 on Mar 6, 2007 23:32:57 GMT
Re: Oil Filters U may find this interesting motorcycleinfo.calsci.com/Filters.html#OilFiltersDon't know if this link will work never tried it on this site yet I think I've just figured out Alpaholic is TDM from this thread, I know, I'm a bit slow ![:-/](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/undecided.png) [ftp][/ftp][ftp][/ftp]
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Post by General Gman on Mar 7, 2007 8:52:46 GMT
Re: Oil Filters U may find this interesting motorcycleinfo.calsci.com/Filters.html#OilFiltersDon't know if this link will work never tried it on this site yet I think I've just figured out Alpaholic is TDM from this thread, I know, I'm a bit slow ![:-/](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/undecided.png) There's even a picture of said fellow..... [ftp][/ftp][ftp][/ftp]
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Post by welshy on Mar 7, 2007 11:15:09 GMT
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