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Post by jon on Jun 5, 2009 8:36:06 GMT
I have a 98 XJ600s Diversion which has just developed a starting problem.
Ignition on, in neutral and with sidestand up (and kill switch in 'run') i thumb the starter and nothing, except the oil level light comes on with each press and the tacho needle swings to 2000 revs and back to 0 every few seconds.
Once or twice pulling the clutch lever in helped, but not now.
It bump starts fine and runs perfectly when started.
Is the tacho displaying a fault code??
Any ideas??
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Post by amorti on Jun 5, 2009 9:02:03 GMT
Try shorting the terminals on the starter solenoid. If that spins the motor, you know the fault is in your safety cut out circuit, then you just need to go through that and check for the fault with a meter. If pulling the clutch in would previously start it, I suggest the bike thinks either the stand is down, or it's in gear. Is the neutral light on?
I don't/didn't think the 600 is advanced enough to display a fault code?!
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Post by Padster on Jun 5, 2009 9:32:30 GMT
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jon
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Post by jon on Jun 5, 2009 11:16:14 GMT
Thanks for the reply. been to local dealer who has suggested a new sidestand switch, so will give that a go and see.
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Post by amorti on Jun 5, 2009 12:09:08 GMT
I know you can separate and clean the clutch switch. Depending how able vs. how tight you are, might be worth opening the old one up for a clean. You will have to get down there and take it off anyway. You can try bridging it and checking if it is the problem. If you trust yourself not to try riding off with the stand down, you could always just permanently bridge the switch.
Shame the d6 doesn't have a sidestand light, or this would be very easy indeed to diagnose.
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Post by CD on Jun 6, 2009 14:57:56 GMT
It must be possible to rig up a warning light with a relay.
But I wouldnt reccommend having a side stand that's not connected to the engine ignition. trying to turn left with the side stand down is not possible and who knows who might be coming the other way before you hit the ditch/kerb.
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Post by paprika on Jun 7, 2009 10:35:30 GMT
Obviously I don't know anything about the tech side of this BUT.. when I ran my battery down recently, the symptoms were exactly the same, the oil light and everything. A quick charge up has resolved it.. I'm sure it's not that but you never know  |
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jon
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Post by jon on Jun 7, 2009 11:08:06 GMT
Thanks for all your replies and suggestions.
I have had the clutch switch to pieces and cleaned that all up, still the same. I was wondering about temporarily bridging the sidestand switch while waiting for the new one, but am not sure how to go about it. There are no visible wires at the switch itself so i assume i would need to find the connector block and do it there?
Constant bump starting is bloody annoying!!
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Post by teejayexc on Jun 7, 2009 17:54:16 GMT
Thanks for all your replies and suggestions. I have had the clutch switch to pieces and cleaned that all up, still the same. I was wondering about temporarily bridging the sidestand switch while waiting for the new one, but am not sure how to go about it. There are no visible wires at the switch itself so i assume i would need to find the connector block and do it there? Constant bump starting is bloomin annoying!! You sure it's not the dreaded blue wire syndrome? My lads, Jamies, D6 had a fit of starting some times then not at all, turned out to be the blue wire in the connector block behind the side panel, (offside from memory), had a bad connection. Apparently it's a common fault, worth having a look to see what the condition of this connection is I would have thought. Trev |
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Post by cam7777 on Jun 7, 2009 18:03:56 GMT
It must be possible to rig up a warning light with a relay. But I wouldnt reccommend having a side stand that's not connected to the engine ignition. trying to turn left with the side stand down is not possible and who knows who might be coming the other way before you hit the ditch/kerb. Were you not around in the 70s? No bikes had side stand cut outs, in those days before we were all told what to do it was great to watch your mate go down the road with the stand down and fly across the road  |
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Post by CD on Jun 8, 2009 14:18:21 GMT
I comment from personal experience with a Kawasaki 400 around 1978. My Honda of the time was a bit more trigger happy and I got away with a loud clank at the first left-hander.  IMHO those little micro- switches on stand and clutch are a godsend. But if anyone really wants a warning light it should be easy enough to fix up. |
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Post by Flymo on Jun 8, 2009 14:54:51 GMT
Ooo eee left the side stand down a few times on my 125, never had it try to throw me off as positioning for the left turn at the end of my road was gentle enough to scrape the stand and remind me it was still down...
I agree with CD i think everybike should have the clutch/sidestand switches to prevent this kind of mishap.
Flymo
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Post by m40man on Jun 8, 2009 18:13:46 GMT
I agree with CD i think everybike should have the clutch/sidestand switches to prevent this kind of mishap. Flymo Or do away with all the electrickery & it's inevitable failure over time by simply adopting the early Honda sidestand - which had a rubber tip (replaceable, but I never saw a worn one anyway) which kicks the sidestand up if it's left down, as soon as you take your first lefthander. Safe, effective & simple in design, so reliable. |
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Post by teejayexc on Jun 8, 2009 20:57:58 GMT
I agree with CD i think everybike should have the clutch/sidestand switches to prevent this kind of mishap. Flymo Or do away with all the electrickery & it's inevitable failure over time by simply adopting the early Honda sidestand - which had a rubber tip (replaceable, but I never saw a worn one anyway) which kicks the sidestand up if it's left down, as soon as you take your first lefthander. Safe, effective & simple in design, so reliable. Surely the ultimate is Bev's method, don't bother putting the sidestand down at all  |
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Post by Flymo on Jun 8, 2009 21:05:46 GMT
Or do away with all the electrickery & it's inevitable failure over time by simply adopting the early Honda sidestand - which had a rubber tip (replaceable, but I never saw a worn one anyway) which kicks the sidestand up if it's left down, as soon as you take your first lefthander. Safe, effective & simple in design, so reliable. Surely the ultimate is Bev's method, don't bother putting the sidestand down at all Yeah right, just lean it against a tree for a bit  Flymo |
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Post by CD on Jun 9, 2009 9:37:09 GMT
Or do away with all the electrickery & it's inevitable failure over time by simply adopting the early Honda sidestand - which had a rubber tip (replaceable, but I never saw a worn one anyway) which kicks the sidestand up if it's left down, as soon as you take your first lefthander. Safe, effective & simple in design, so reliable. Surely the ultimate is Bev's method, don't bother putting the sidestand down at all Been there, Done that.  |
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Post by jon on Jun 16, 2009 2:25:03 GMT
teejayexc, you are the man. The blue wire syndrome was the problem. It had been repaired before and the female replaced in the block, which had worked loose from the connector into the relay. Tightened up and squeezed back in and all now good!
Thanks a lot!
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Post by teejayexc on Jun 16, 2009 8:15:59 GMT
teejayexc, you are the man. The blue wire syndrome was the problem. It had been repaired before and the female replaced in the block, which had worked loose from the connector into the relay. Tightened up and squeezed back in and all now good! Thanks a lot! ;D  That's great news Jon, thought the problem seemed similar to Jamies one. trev |
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