Drip drip drip

[popey]

Have to say I agree with everything Pooh said on the matter

David

[Fiasco]

This one is too long (and interlectual) for me to read can anyone summarise in a couple of sentences please?

Thanks

Dave ;D

[Pooh(c)]

Dave

I'm confused, because even though " it's not illegal" you're pretty much sure to get done by plod ;D

[General Gman]

We drove past the area to be used for the jocko run the other day on the way to the arctic circle.
Seems to be some fairly large bumps in the earth there.
I assume the roads are not undertaking-friendly .
Do they have bends in em and stuff ? ;D

[Welsh Ade]

pooh said:

Dave

I'm confused, because even though " it's not illegal" you're pretty much sure to get done by plod ;D

Having been with plod on bike safe the motorcycle boys are fairly relaxed about speed and making progress providing its safe.

[alpaholic]

pooh said:

Dave

I'm confused, because even though " it's not illegal" you're pretty much sure to get done by plod ;D

It isn't "pretty much sure", though. I double checked on uk.rec.legal. The only two people who had direct experience of getting stopped while undertaking were not done.

I'd be interested to see some examples of cases of people who are done for careless or dangerous based purely on one safe undertake. If there are any.

Saying undertaking is illegal because you *may* get done for careless/dangerous is a bit like saying reversing is illegal because you may bet done for careless/dangerous.

pooh said:

Have to say I agree with everything Pooh said on the matter

Which is interesting since Pooh has said both that undertaking is illegal and that it isn't! How do you reconcile that?

[teejayexc]

pooh said:

final post on the undertaking topic

The fact is that if you undertake a police car, marked or unmarked, like a hooligan, you will get done.

It was badly worded

Should have read

The fact is that if you undertake a police car, marked or unmarked, like a hooligan, as opposed to the acceptable methods of undertaking, you will get done.

Judi - this is the best debate I've had on here for a while. It's also nice to see the post count going up without resorting to LOL's & ROFL's

Anyway back to work now.

My final post on the subject?

Humph, another north o'the border resident that doesn't know when to stop putting pen to paper, no wonder they spoil so many ballot papers up there.

trev

[Ghoti]

teejayexc said:

Humph, another north o'the border resident that doesn't know when to stop putting pen to paper, no wonder they spoil so many ballot papers up there.

trev

I thought they just had difficulty spelling X (Of course, my spelling is 100% perfect all of the time )

[HRHpenfold]

fiasco said:

This one is too long (and interlectual) for me to read can anyone summarise in a couple of sentences please?

Thanks

Dave ;D

a disagreement on the law Dave, hope this brings you up to speed mate ;D

[HRHpenfold]

what was the conclusion then ;D

[judi]

fazerian said:

what was the conclusion then ;D

Disagreement is fun

[alpaholic]

fazerian said:

what was the conclusion then ;D

I think Pooh summed it up quite well.

There is no offence of undertaking. If you undertake "like a hooligan" then you could be commiting all sorts of other offences. However that could be said of anything you do on the road from reversing to stopping for a traffic light.

[Pooh(c)]

Pooh refuses to rise to the bait today as he needs to get some work done

have fun ;D

[teejayexc]

pooh said:

Pooh refuses to rise to the bait today as he needs to get some work done

have fun ;D

We call 'em floaters round here. ;D

trev

[Deleted]

thought they just had difficulty spelling X (Of course, my spelling is 100% perfect all of the time )

Sorry that's the lower IQ softy southern Ballot paper you're referring to, where you all think you're signing it. Ours had way too many options. Females of any nationality can't even decide what shoes to wear so asking them to decide an important issue with a choice of more than 2 candidates with proportional representation element resulted in chaos.

[HRHpenfold]

i think we need another layer of local goverment ;D

[knight]

Like most things in life, it's not so much what you do, but how you do it. ;D

[HRHpenfold]

and some more essential nanny laws ;D

[iooi]

alpaholic said:

There is no offence of undertaking. If you undertake "like a hooligan" then you could be commiting all sorts of other offences. However that could be said of anything you do on the road from reversing to stopping for a traffic light.

I was under the impression that if you passed someone who is on the right of you on either a duel carragway or M way that it was against the law.
To wit i quote...

Highway code 242
242: Do not overtake on the left or move to a lane on your left to overtake. In congested conditions, where adjacent lanes of traffic are moving at similar speeds, traffic in left-hand lanes may sometimes be moving faster than traffic to the right. In these conditions you may keep up with the traffic in your lane even if this means passing traffic in the lane to your right. Do not weave in and out of lanes to overtake.

But from the way it has not got MUST NOT in that section then it is OK..
Nice one to print off and keep handy for Mr Plod

[alpaholic]

iooi said:

But from the way it has not got MUST NOT in that section then it is OK..
Nice one to print off and keep handy for Mr Plod

Yep. As (almost it would seem) everyone knows, if it aint in red it aint the law.

[iooi]

Well that makes me feel a lot happier as i can now pass all the numpties who fail to note that the bus lane is only 07:30 till 09:30 on the inside safe in the knowledge that if i get pulled over i can quote HC 242 to said person.
And then ask why they have not been pulled over for failing to drive with due care and attention as they have clearly failed to pay due care and no attention to the road signs..

[alpaholic]

iooi said:

Well that makes me feel a lot happier as i can now pass all the numpties who fail to note that the bus lane is only 07:30 till 09:30 on the inside safe in the knowledge that if i get pulled over i can quote HC 242 to said person.
And then ask why they have not been pulled over for failing to drive with due care and attention as they have clearly failed to pay due care and no attention to the road signs..

Don't get too carried away iooi! I suspect if you get too cocky they might start to build up a "careless" case against you. "Did you see that barnowl to left? Oh dear Sir, that makes your manoever highly risky, it could have flown out and distracted you and I as a professional police driver will say so in court." [1]

Nothing Trafpol hate more than having law quoted to them!

[1] Juries seem to trust rozzers. There was the classic case of the Plod who got a speeder done for Dangerous driving partly by quoting the 1960's drum brake *car* stopping distances quoted in the HW code as being appropriate for a ZZXR-RRRRR hyper sports bike.

[CD]

alpaholic said:

Juries seem to trust rozzers. There was the classic case of the Plod who got a speeder done for Dangerous driving partly by quoting the 1960's drum brake *car* stopping distances quoted in the HW code as being appropriate for a ZZXR-RRRRR hyper sports bike.

No problem, bring in a souped up fully certified professional expert on brakes (Phd Prof etc) who could explain in simple languge why the HC stopping distances are a load of c*ck.

To you sir £HOW MUCH! and then he/she blinds them with science and you get done anyway.

I'm with Alpaholic.

[alpaholic]

chirodave said:

alpaholic said:

Juries seem to trust rozzers. There was the classic case of the Plod who got a speeder done for Dangerous driving partly by quoting the 1960's drum brake *car* stopping distances quoted in the HW code as being appropriate for a ZZXR-RRRRR hyper sports bike.

No problem, bring in a souped up fully certified professional expert on brakes (Phd Prof etc) who could explain in simple languge why the HC stopping distances are a load of c*ck.

To you sir £HOW MUCH! and then he/she blinds them with science and you get done anyway..

Yeah, there was a feeling in the motorcycle world at the time that their barrister was utterly useless and they should have admitted the speeding but had a serious go at defending the DD. *However* it could be that they thought that holding their hands up to DD would avoid goal. It didn't.

chirodave said:

I'm with Alpaholic.

Have an exalt CD!

[pebbles]

if you are in the minority as we are u always get
the bad press

[CD]

No please alpa, not an exhalt... I'm happy being subzero. ;D

What about this...
news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/manchester/6664477.stm