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Post by General Gman on May 10, 2007 15:41:58 GMT
I whole-heartedly agree with Martin - the NHS is a fine institution, and something we should be proud of.The fact is that thatcher and successive tory governments pared funding to the bone and brought the NHS to it's knees.Yes, labour have had trouble getting a handle on things and the way they have gone about things is less than perfect but the fact remains that the NHS is vastly better funded and equipped than it was under the tories. And Bev, old chap..... me and me mates were all the clever ones....that's why I got to do useful subjects like latin  |
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2007 16:13:46 GMT
GM I've no doubt you're a clever git, but when I went to school, admittedly some years before you and before we dropped standards, only one could be top of the class.
I do agree that the NHS is a worthy institution.
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Post by ContourMac on May 10, 2007 16:32:11 GMT
I don't usually get involved with political discussions for 3 reasons:
1: I respect someone else's opinion and likewise would hope that they would respect mine
2: I might feel any different about them if I knew there stance on a sensitive subject
3: I'm too busy taking the mick.
So can I suggest that we stop berating each other and have a discussion on a harmless subject:
Religion- Who's your favorite God?
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2007 16:57:12 GMT
I'll be the first to reply Contourmac.
my favourite god is Lassie
Sorry came over all dyslexic there
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Post by suzukikidontheloose53 on May 10, 2007 17:02:51 GMT
Thing is....I remember the hardship my Dad was going through in the RAF back in the 70's when Labour was in power...he was getting paid less than the garbage men but was made to clear the streets when they were on strike. Then Tories came in and he got a pay rise of three times the amount. To be honest....no MP is worth their weight as far as I'm concerned...they're all the same. Promise the World to get into power and then shaft us little people who got em in. Balls to em I say!! U sure it was the RAF he was in and not the PUB! |
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Post by CD on May 10, 2007 18:30:08 GMT
Its not about spending money its about getting value for what is spent. The NHS is amazing but it could be so much better. Money seems to fall into a black hole of overhead costs and yet there are never enough frontline staff.
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Post by Dame judgejools44 on May 10, 2007 18:49:44 GMT
Thing is....I remember the hardship my Dad was going through in the RAF back in the 70's when Labour was in power...he was getting paid less than the garbage men but was made to clear the streets when they were on strike. Then Tories came in and he got a pay rise of three times the amount. To be honest....no MP is worth their weight as far as I'm concerned...they're all the same. Promise the World to get into power and then shaft us little people who got em in. Balls to em I say!! U sure it was the RAF he was in and not the PUB! Trust me he was RAF.....if he'd been a Garbage Man he'd have had the money to sit and get pished in the PUB!! ;D ;D |
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Post by Dame judgejools44 on May 10, 2007 18:53:51 GMT
Its not about spending money its about getting value for what is spent. The NHS is amazing but it could be so much better. Money seems to fall into a black hole of overhead costs and yet there are never enough frontline staff. That's cos of the fat-cat execs at the top who apparently run the Wards...instead they create havoc with the staff and pour money down the pan! |
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Post by Fiasco on May 10, 2007 23:05:34 GMT
Whoever gets in to power, forever and a day we will be moaning and griping about them just as much.
If anyone can do better, get into politics and take the world by storm !!
I think all MPs do a better job than the media want us to believe.
Dave ;D
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Post by CD on May 10, 2007 23:31:53 GMT
My mother's next door neighbour used to be an NHS manager. he got so sick of the system preventing him from achieving anything he's left. Its sad because he is the sort of person the NHS needs. But the system grinds people down. hardly surprising with 1.3 million employees.
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Post by General Gman on May 11, 2007 0:37:43 GMT
Whoever gets in to power, forever and a day we will be moaning and griping about them just as much. If anyone can do better, get into politics and take the world by storm !! I think all MPs do a better job than the media want us to believe. Dave ;D Dave, you're bleedin mad, or being paid by a political party. Politicians are parasites who simply rehash each others old ideas and create beurocracy.They get paid a lot of money for doing very little.They are allowed lavish expenses allowances to fund london shag pads and busty secretaries.And a lot of them are closet botters Why does an MP get paid more than a policeman ? who has the more worthy job ? Hang 'em all, and I'll run the country. .Double income tax for all people that earn more than me.Use that cash to provide free beer and kebabs for the over 35s that happened to be born in st leonards on sea in 1969.Ban horses and pushbikes (not from the road..... from existing at all). Chiropractors to be cast out of society and imprisoned on the isle of wight and made to ford raging torrents on a c90 engined harley |
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Post by Dame judgejools44 on May 11, 2007 0:40:58 GMT
Whoever gets in to power, forever and a day we will be moaning and griping about them just as much. If anyone can do better, get into politics and take the world by storm !! I think all MPs do a better job than the media want us to believe. Dave ;D Dave, you're bleedin mad, or being paid by a political party. Politicians are parasites who simply rehash each others old ideas and create beurocracy.They get paid a lot of money for doing very little.They are allowed lavish expenses allowances to fund london shag pads and busty secretaries.And a lot of them are closet botters Why does an MP get paid more than a policeman ? who has the more worthy job ? Hang 'em all, and I'll run the country. .Double income tax for all people that earn more than me.Use that cash to provide free beer and kebabs for the over 35s that happened to be born in st leonards on sea in 1969.Ban horses and pushbikes (not from the road..... from existing at all). Chiropractors to be cast out of society and imprisoned on the isle of wight and made to ford raging torrents on a c90 engined harley BAN HORSES!!?? REET, YOU'RE IN DA DOG HOOSE LADDIE!! ;D ;D ;D ;D Chiropractors to be cast out of society? Surely ya canna mean people like ChiroDave? I'm sure he's a Dentist! ;D ;D |
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Post by General Gman on May 11, 2007 0:49:12 GMT
I made no mention of the aforementioned member.I know not what the fellow does.... I simply think that bone-popping charlatans should be hung, drawn and quartered ;D  |
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Post by Dame judgejools44 on May 11, 2007 0:50:26 GMT
Aahhhh....so Dentists like ChiroDave are safe and sound from ya laws then? ;D ;D
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Post by General Gman on May 11, 2007 1:01:32 GMT
Not really, cos dentists are pain-giving nazis who need to be shut in a room with half a dozen angry gibbons. ;D
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Post by Pushbikedave on May 11, 2007 6:11:43 GMT
Not really comfortable with postin on this topic, it always becomes too debatable and then arguemnts will undoubtedly occurr. Succeeding PM's to a long serving PM ie.Wilson Callahan,Thatcher MAjor and now Blair Brown never succeed in changing the direction of voters. The damage has usually already been done. And yes Brown has raided our pensions, taxed us on our holidays etc, but you see however much of a beating I get from these buggers, I can never be comfortable with .... Cameron the working mans Tory or menzies still sounds like a disease ... Sorry
PBD
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Post by General Gman on May 11, 2007 7:14:56 GMT
Vote for me then ! (I'll make a special dispensation on the pushbikes for you, old chap ) ;D
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Post by Dame judgejools44 on May 11, 2007 8:29:46 GMT
Vote for me then ! (I'll make a special dispensation on the pushbikes for you, old chap ) ;D You almost qualify as a PM.....you get paid shed loads for very little work! ;D ;D I think I'll be in the sh*t with that comment....I may have to go undercover for a while....nice knowing you all! |
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Post by General Gman on May 11, 2007 9:05:29 GMT
Firstly, I earn a pittance, and secondly I spend all day rushed off me bleedin' elbows...... now go do some womanly chores - toilet needs cleaning...and when you say go undercover, you mean go back to bed you lazy mare.... ;D ;D
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Post by Dame judgejools44 on May 11, 2007 9:18:22 GMT
Firstly, I earn a pittance, and secondly I spend all day rushed off me bleedin' elbows...... now go do some womanly chores - toilet needs cleaning...and when you say go undercover, you mean go back to bed you lazy mare.... ;D ;D Ooooooooooo........carry on there lad....keep it comin......you're in sh*t for sure!!  |
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Post by General Gman on May 11, 2007 9:22:50 GMT
hehehe ;D ;D ;D
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Post by alpaholic on May 11, 2007 10:23:59 GMT
You forgot about doubling the NHS finds for zero return. Factually privates & therefore a good reason why this bike forum should avoid politics. Is it? It's at leat half true, Labour did dramatically increase NHS funding. Not sure if it was doubled, though. |
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Post by alpaholic on May 11, 2007 10:25:18 GMT
I don't usually get involved with political discussions So can I suggest that we stop berating each other and have a discussion on a harmless subject: Religion- Who's your favorite God? LOL! Gordon Hart! |
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Post by alpaholic on May 11, 2007 10:33:34 GMT
Whoever gets in to power, forever and a day we will be moaning and griping about them just as much. I'm not sure. If almost anybody else in the cabinet had been PM Iraq simply wouldn't have happened. (Or at least wouldn't have involved us). Blair was (more or less) the only one in the cabinet who thought Iraq was a good idea and at least half the cabinet vocally opposed it in cabinet. So I would argue on the single most important issue of Blairs leadership (and, who knows, if Iran develop a workable Nuclear Bomb maybe the single most important issue the world has ever seen) Blair was wrong and almost anybody else in his party would have been right. |
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Post by m40man on May 11, 2007 10:36:13 GMT
Factually privates & therefore a good reason why this bike forum should avoid politics. Is it? It's at leat half true, Labour did dramatically increase NHS funding. Not sure if it was doubled, though. .............. it was the ZERO return bit I was scornful of! |
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Post by alpaholic on May 11, 2007 10:43:31 GMT
Is it? It's at leat half true, Labour did dramatically increase NHS funding. Not sure if it was doubled, though. .............. it was the ZERO return bit I was scornful of! I think the Labour party *were* disapointed with the results of the huge amount of cash they spent. (Hence my "They didn't see that coming." ) I suspect nobody really knows how much benifit the cash actually reaped. Certainly can't have hurt. |
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Post by m40man on May 11, 2007 10:51:12 GMT
I'm not sure. If almost anybody else in the cabinet had been PM Iraq simply wouldn't have happened. Yes - We need to thank Tony for saving us all from the 45-min-deployable WMDs. Them pesky REDS in his cabinet would have seen us all dead or under the heavy boot of that tyrant Hussein. I can't help feeling there must be better places to discuss politics than here. I vote (1st past the post) for a politics board. |
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Post by alpaholic on May 11, 2007 12:04:02 GMT
I'm not sure. If almost anybody else in the cabinet had been PM Iraq simply wouldn't have happened. Yes - We need to thank Tony for saving us all from the 45-min-deployable WMDs. Them pesky REDS in his cabinet would have seen us all dead or under the heavy boot of that tyrant Hussein. I can't help feeling there must be better places to discuss politics than here. I vote (1st past the post) for a politics board.I reckon number one on Gordons PM checklist is "Don't invade anywhere, no matter how tempting." |
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Post by CD on May 11, 2007 12:13:52 GMT
Not really, cos dentists are pain-giving nazis who need to be shut in a room with half a dozen angry gibbons. ;D Still chucklin at this one. You really should be on stage you'd make a fortune. No kidding. Alternatively theres one leaving town at noon. ;D Wish I'd done latin at school might have a chance with stuff like chondromalacia patella & protrusio acetabuli. Mind, I'd have 4got it all by now. |
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Post by Dame judgejools44 on May 11, 2007 12:45:28 GMT
Not really, cos dentists are pain-giving nazis who need to be shut in a room with half a dozen angry gibbons. ;D Still chucklin at this one. You really should be on stage you'd make a fortune. No kidding. Alternatively theres one leaving town at noon. ;D Whose leaving town? An angry gibbon!? ;D |
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