Haggisxj900
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Post by Haggisxj900 on May 8, 2007 21:16:35 GMT
I am thinking of getting a new lid. Budget wise I don't have much to spend, about £100. I know that what is good for one is not always good for another so what are the recommendations out there.
I currently have a Caberg V2 which I have liked for the twin visor but I know there many others on the market.
I will be at the BMF in a couple of weeks time so what might be worth having a looking at?
Andy C
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Post by HRHpenfold on May 8, 2007 21:37:43 GMT
not sure what you could get that are better than the caberg for your budjet i have a Schuberth c2 and its an excellent quality helmet, but double your budjet and some  |
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Post by m1key on May 8, 2007 22:01:29 GMT
i went into the bike shop looking for a lid, tried loads on my perfect fit was an Arai RX7 Corsair £350 later.....
we can live without legs and arms but not a head.
dont put a budget on your safety, there is no cost or comprimise when it comes to your own life.
rant over.
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Post by HRHpenfold on May 8, 2007 22:13:14 GMT
i went into the bike shop looking for a lid, tried loads on my perfect fit was an Arai RX7 Corsair £350 later..... we can live without legs and arms but not a head. dont put a budget on your safety, there is no cost or comprimise when it comes to your own life. rant over. better a well fitting cheap helmet, than a badly fitting dear one, after all, they all have to pass the eu tests |
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Post by General Gman on May 9, 2007 5:12:16 GMT
Wot e said.
Go for the best fit you can and look at the quality of build.
I have a KBC lid which is excellent, but got a bit chipped in a crash, so bought a suomy - excellent quality and very good fit for under a ton.You don't have to spend 300 quid on a lid to be safe.TBH, all european lids pass the same tests so not a great deal of difference.If you're really interested in safety, go for one that has passed the american snell tests cos they'r far more rigorous, but they are hard to find.
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Post by alpaholic on May 9, 2007 7:51:33 GMT
better a well fitting cheap helmet, than a badly fitting dear one, after all, they all have to pass the eu tests Couldn't agree more. Helmet quality is far more important than helmet cost. [1] Unfortunately the manufacturers are very cagey about how *good* their helmets are and why so the only measure you've really got of helmet quality WRT yourself is how it fits you. Based on unscientific experiments with a shovel any helmet that passes EU test will have a *shell* that can withstand far more than your head ever could. Which leaves the polystyrene inner stuff which is hard to measure. [1] A good example was the Arai range. At one point they were selling two helmets based on the same shell. One £450 and one £120. F**k knows what you were paying for but it wasn't safety. |
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Post by Welsh Ade on May 9, 2007 8:05:27 GMT
If anyone is interested I have an article from Ride mag on helmets detailing their tests and performance. Putting that to one side its all about the fit, comfort and noise levels at speed. Try and find out what the lid is rated to in terms of db at speads of 60, 70, 80 and 90mph being in mind that the higher the value the less time it will take to damage your hearing.
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Post by staki900 on May 9, 2007 9:00:31 GMT
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Post by alpaholic on May 9, 2007 9:12:22 GMT
Given the importance of fit I wonder how wise it is to buy a helmet online unless you know a specific helmet fits? I looked around the NEC bike show trying on helmets 'till my temples were literally raw. Only two fitted perfectly out of hundreds. (Even then I wonder if fit is luck to some extent - I bought one slightly too tight allowing for some slackening - it slackened off just the right amount and has been a perfect fit but that was pure luck.) |
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Post by m40man on May 9, 2007 9:31:32 GMT
Try and find out what the lid is rated to in terms of db at speads of 60, 70, 80 and 90mph being in mind that the higher the value the less time it will take to damage your hearing. ........... is this info' in the Ride article? Both my lids are noisy (not flips) & the main thing I'd like improving is that. |
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Post by alpaholic on May 9, 2007 9:37:41 GMT
........... is this info' in the Ride article? Both my lids are noisy (not flips) & the main thing I'd like improving is that. Pardon? |
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Post by swerve9031 on May 9, 2007 9:38:47 GMT
Both my lids are noisy (not flips) & the main thing I'd like improving is that.
Sorry to possibly appear dim but are 'flips' always noisier than others?
Peter
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Post by m40man on May 9, 2007 9:45:34 GMT
Both my lids are noisy (not flips) & the main thing I'd like improving is that.Sorry to possibly appear dim but are 'flips' always noisier than others? Peter Generally so, I believe Peter. I'd like a flip, especially as a spec wearer. But not if the noise was any worse than my current lids. |
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Post by cam7777 on May 9, 2007 10:27:29 GMT
I have a Caberg Trip with integrated smoke visor, bargain at £99.
Mind you, you should get a justissimo at the BMF for around £100.
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Post by Dame judgejools44 on May 9, 2007 10:31:51 GMT
I'd never wear a flip. After tearing up my lovely £250 Arai in my crash last summer I decided it was stupid to buy a helmet on mainly looks and the name. So I bought a Caberg V2 for £99.99. Although it's slightly louder than the Arai was, it's better fitted and doesn't put pressure on my ears. To combat the noise I started wearing ear plugs but they tended to itch after a while so I took the advice from a Traffic Cop....wear an mp3 with the volume low enough to hear whats going on around you but the plugs keep out the majority of wind noise.....works a treat! ;D
My reason for never wearing a flip? If I was out on the bike on a Wednesday (a**e hole driver day...day I had my accident) chances are I'd get taken out by some idiot driver...and knowing my luck the flip would pop open and I'd scrape my face along the gravel....not worth the risk to be honest! I know I ain't good looking but a gravel scar across my face would certainly make me look a lot worse! ;D
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Post by alpaholic on May 9, 2007 10:48:42 GMT
I feel the same way. Mind ewe, I've never seen any evidence that the flip lids are a source of weakness - I just can't really see how they could be as strong as fibre glass. |
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Post by beeblemaster on May 9, 2007 10:50:00 GMT
From what I've heard flip-ups go through the same safety tests as solid helmets.
I love the flip-ups because of my specs, but some of them have dodgy mechanisms which don't last too well (I've had issue with Nitro and Rayven)... and as for noise, well just use ear plugs or as JJ says - music.
Agree with Clive... Caberg Trip is excellent for the money. My dad's got one, it's impressive.
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Post by CD on May 9, 2007 10:59:31 GMT
www.gear4bikers.co.uk/ Wish I'd tried the Caberg Trip before I got the System 5 or Busters, M&P, Hein Gericke. I was in M&P recently they have a huge range of helmets and are really helpful. I use a BMW System 5 because it was supposed to be quiet. Its not. It also MUST have a fog city or similar as it mists up. But its warm in cold weather and has good ventillation for hot weather. The other issue is it has a firm padding so either fits or it doesn't. There's no doubt when you try them on - good thing I guess. I use ear Moldex plugs until someone comes up with some noise cancelling 'phones. If I turned up the music to defeat the noise my head would implode.
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Post by beeblemaster on May 9, 2007 11:07:45 GMT
You seem to be behind the times there  have a look on ebay for starters. All the big names do them now. The cheapest and as suggested by DahDit are the KOSS phones. I bought some but I think they may have scratched my ear and I got ear infection for a month last October with them. |
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Post by m40man on May 9, 2007 11:09:26 GMT
I feel the same way. Mind ewe, I've never seen any evidence that the flip lids are a source of weakness - I just can't really see how they could be as strong as fibre glass. I suspect that the inherent weakness is irrelevant as both must surely be sufficiently strong to ensure you'd be dead from the percussive element of the impact before the main shell or flip mechanism would fail anyway. Both seem to have the same sort of filling. The fronts of helmets needn't be that tough really - the front damage is likely to be scraping damage, rather than initial bash impact (or your neck would likely snap anyway - so a failed flip front giving you a busted jaw, mangled chin etc would be irrelevant.) Most of time when you're wearing your lid you are not crashing. So comfort is important. Wind noise is uncomfortable. Full face helmets also offer nothing like the peripheral view of some open face ones, but having taken a high-speed(ish) departure from a bike, followed by a long slide on lower front of helmet & one arm, I'd seldom choose to go open face. (I don't completely rule it out - the advantages are good & at low speed, I've never landed on my chin.) |
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Post by Ghoti on May 9, 2007 11:57:34 GMT
[Nerdy mode]
Some flip hemlets are tested as open face helmets and some as full face.
The open face helmets wont have had a check for the security of the chin bar.
The full face helmets are technically illegal to use with the bar up.
In 57% of accidents, the first place of the helmet to hit the deck is the from chin bar area (21% front right chin, 19% front left chin and 17% central chin).
[/Nerdy mode]
I tried on a few flip front lids recently, but could not find one that fitted perfectly, so got another full-face.
Fit is all important. Some more expensive helmets have replaceable internals (ie cheek pads, skull cap etc) so will last longer or stay comfortable for longer, are just easier to clean internally and can be taylor made for a perfect fit.
I also look for the weight of a helmet. This both helps for comfort and for whip-lash injuries in case of an accident. Just had a 14 hour day on the bike (with stops for coffee, smokes, lunch and eurotunnel), but helmet was still perfectly comfortable and still at that 'connot feel it on my head' stage.
Sound can never be that good on a helmet. Get ear plugs (although there is a school of thought now that suggests sound is transmitted through the helmet, through your skull and still affects your hearing).
Other things I look for are quick change visor and D ring fastening on the strap (just personal choice though).
Anyway, this does not really the question about what helmet to get, but just shop around, try them all on and see what you like best.
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Post by paulnightdriver60 on May 9, 2007 12:02:41 GMT
hi all i.v got roof boxer it is bit loud when at 70 80 but so my exhaust . but it.s nice when around town to flip .
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Post by Welsh Ade on May 9, 2007 12:10:22 GMT
Try and find out what the lid is rated to in terms of db at speads of 60, 70, 80 and 90mph being in mind that the higher the value the less time it will take to damage your hearing. ........... is this info' in the Ride article? Both my lids are noisy (not flips) & the main thing I'd like improving is that. Of the lids tested yes this info is present. From memory they tested approx 10 to 15 lids mine came 7th in the list and thats a Nitro but like all lids different styles give different issues. |
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Post by alpaholic on May 9, 2007 12:11:59 GMT
From what I've heard flip-ups go through the same safety tests as solid helmets. Yeah, but open face helmets pass the safety tests AFAIK... Which kind of snookers my view that if it passes the EU safety tests it must be ok. |
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Post by alpaholic on May 9, 2007 12:15:04 GMT
Just had a 14 hour day on the bike Ride faster? |
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Post by Welsh Ade on May 9, 2007 12:35:05 GMT
Just had a 14 hour day on the bike Ride faster? He couldn't as he was trying to ensure Fiasco was in his review mirror all the time.  |
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Post by DahDit on May 9, 2007 13:30:24 GMT
Haggis,
If you are trying to be below £100 and don't necessarily want a flip......
Have a look at HJC's range. World's largest manufacturer of helmets aparently(!).....
You can get pinlock visors for them too.....
Normally highly rated by the mags.
The CL-14 in particular
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Post by maddogmcq on May 9, 2007 13:52:27 GMT
I had a Caberg V2 which I enjoyed with that trick sun visor and then I bought a Shoei Syncrotec II for a very reasonable £180 which is SUPERB but has no built-in sun visor and more recently I bought a Nolan N102 Bluetooth Classic which isn't built to the same standards as the Shoei and is noisier and heavier, but it has built in sun-visor, built in pinlock and built in communication system for £380. I stick with the Nolan these days cos it works so well with my SatNav and Phone. The wife uses the Shoei. More info about satnav/helmet combo.... www.mcqart.com/xj600/garmin_zumo.htm |
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Post by m40man on May 9, 2007 14:08:15 GMT
In 57% of accidents, the first place of the helmet to hit the deck is the from chin bar area (21% front right chin, 19% front left chin and 17% central chin). Where did you get this (maybe!) complete tosh from? ........... Good job it wasn't so in 57% of my accidents . |
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Post by Ghoti on May 9, 2007 14:25:07 GMT
In 57% of accidents, the first place of the helmet to hit the deck is the from chin bar area (21% front right chin, 19% front left chin and 17% central chin). Where did you get this (maybe!) complete tosh from? ........... Good job it wasn't so in 57% of my accidents . OK, so it was from a study of American motorcycle accidents in the late 80s or early 90s and may not be totally relevant. But do we crash that differently from the way the yanks did 20-30 years ago? |
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have a look on ebay for starters. All the big names do them now. The cheapest and as suggested by DahDit are the KOSS phones. I bought some but I think they may have scratched my ear and I got ear infection for a month last October with them.
