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Post by ddfjr on Apr 25, 2007 19:15:02 GMT
I had a Givi Top Box listed on EBay. Everything was going OK, had a couple of bids and about 30+ people watching the auction. I get home tonight from work & log into EBay to see how its doing and its NOT there  Go to "My EBay" and I have an "Alert from EBay" waiting for me  This what they said..................... Your listing was in breach of eBay's Circumvention of eBay Fees policy.
You may not manipulate eBay's system in order to avoid paying certain eBay fees. This includes practices such as adding previously unspecified fees after the end of the auction, or charging excessive postage and packaging in order to recoup your listing and Final Value Fees. Fee avoidance provides a poor buying experience and gives you an unfair advantage over other eBay sellers.
You're not permitted to offer other eBay members the opportunity to purchase anything away from eBay via the eBay website. My crime was to mention that I had the Box advertised on a couple of motorcycle forums that I am a member of and I might have to close the auction if it sells through one of them. This is against EBay rules (according to EBay) my listing was offering the item to EBay members "OUTSIDE" of EBay How they came up with that crock of Poo I have no idea  I asked for an explanation regarding the withdrawal of my auction and the part of there terms of service that I had violated, this was there reply................ Your listing was in breach of eBay's Inappropriate Seller Terms policy and has been removed from eBay. All fees related to this listing have been credited to your account. We also notified members who placed bids on the item that the listing has been canceled.
We would like to take this opportunity to let you know what part of your listing is not permitted.
Your listing(s) contains the following information:
I do have this box advertised on a few Bike Clubs I am a member of so it might sell before the end of the auction.
Sorry but I "Might" pull the auction if it sells through one of the clubs 
Any terms that contradict the eBay User Agreement or that inadvertently breach eBay listing policies are not permitted in listings.
The eBay User Agreement states that you may not fail to deliver items purchased from you, unless the buyer fails to meet the listing terms, or you cannot authenticate the buyer's identity.
IMPORTANT NOTICE: If you re-list this, or any other item that breaches eBay policy, your eBay privileges could be suspended. We value you as a member of our community and wish to continue this relationship, so we must ask you to refrain from further breaches of the User Agreement and eBay policy.I have now had my account suspended during further investigations into my selling activities and to see if I have violated any other terms I have told them (not so politely) to shove there Web-Site and there Terms Of Service. Considering I have been a member of EBay for over 5 years and had a 100% Positive Feedback, they didn't give a monkeys. Ebay have got far to big now and its all Commercial Business they want, 80% of the sellers are now business sellers who charge stupid amounts for postage and if you have a complaint the Seller & EBay don't give a Monkeys. Am I annoyed, to flippin right I am. |
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Post by iooi on Apr 25, 2007 20:03:00 GMT
Well you can say that you have bikes etc advertised elsewhere. Seems a bit off that you also cannot do it for other items.
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Post by midlifecrisis on Apr 25, 2007 20:40:48 GMT
I bet if you go thru many adverts on ebay you will find the wording " i resrve the right to withdraw as i am advertising elsewhere" now unless you said the name of he forums i cannot see how anyone can track where you have advertised it elsewhere. I would be tempted to take them to task on it
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Post by ddfjr on Apr 25, 2007 21:14:25 GMT
I bet if you go thru many adverts on ebay you will find the wording " i reserve the right to withdraw as i am advertising elsewhere" now unless you said the name of he forums i cannot see how anyone can track where you have advertised it elsewhere. I would be tempted to take them to task on it That was exactly my argument with EBay. I didn't mention ANY forum, or ask people to get in touch with me regarding selling outside of EBay. EBay are a law unto themselves and do what THEY want to do when THEY want to do it. If you complain about being ripped off you will get an automated email, you try getting in touch with them about anything, NO CHANCE Anyway, no reply to my last email to them  I would think that my "Suspended" account will be closed soon I didn't swear, I didn't get angry, I didn't challenge there parentage, I just pointed out a few facts regarding there Terms Of Service and there lack of co-operation with the Police on catching scammers (Well documented). There censorship of any post on there help forums regarding mistakes made by EBay or there lack of help regarding rip-offs. As long as EBay is making money they don't give a monkeys about You, Me or anyone else, BUT you fail to pay there extortionate fee's and Debt Collectors will come calling I shall not be using EBay anymore as a seller, there loss not mine  |
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Post by Andy-Red-Divi on Apr 25, 2007 21:32:30 GMT
The thing is that to have fleabay do anything about listing violations is that somone must have reported it to them in the first place.
Anyone else selling similar items and wanted to 'do away' with the competition?
I've had it done to me before, so just went looking for people selling similar and if there was anything dodgy then reported them.
Cheers
Andy
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Post by Andy-Red-Divi on Apr 25, 2007 21:35:31 GMT
In what you say, they also make the assumption that the motorcycle forums are frequented by fleabay members? Can they prove this? or do they assume that 100% of net users are fleabay users?
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Post by Pool Boy on Apr 25, 2007 22:13:45 GMT
I had a listing cancelled because I stated that I would charge extra for PAYPAL, in order to cover their fees.
Apparently this is a no-no because PAYPAL is not an official bank (you can only recover credit card fees if you are a business, but not PAYPAL fees)
I only got the idea in the first place after seeing it on other listings !
So do I now report other listings which charge extra for PAYPAL ? - you bet I do !
Why should others get away with what I've been penalised for ?
Having said that, It seems e-bay's been very heavy handed in this case as many listings say that items are offered for sale elesewhere.
Not much help I know, but at least some sympathy
Roger
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2007 22:23:16 GMT
charging excessive postage and packaging in order to recoup your listing and Final Value FeesSo how come the seller of the DVD I'm waiting for can charge £5.50 postage? (No mention of 1st class recorded so could come 2nd class.) Heads they win tails you lose
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Post by iooi on Apr 26, 2007 8:39:33 GMT
A dvd via 1st class recorded is going to be £1.40 and then the cost of jiffy bag. I know i send a lot out..... Jiffy bag when you buy 100 a time is no more than 15p each. I charge £2.00 as i have to walk to PO.. Even if it went special del it would be no where near £5.50. I recon around £4.75 from the PO site. Report them for exesive p+p. I bet they are using that to cover cost of dvd then the rest is profit. |
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Post by Ghoti on Apr 26, 2007 8:49:06 GMT
Don't forget the cost of the sticky label to put the address on the jiffy bag. They can be very expensive (like £3:50 per label). |
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Post by Ghoti on Apr 26, 2007 8:53:16 GMT
Oops, the reason I was posting was to say:
I won a very local collection and the seller would not let me collect. He said he did not want me to know where he lived. I told him it was 1 road away and I already knew as he had advertised it locally but wanted too much. On ebay it went a lot cheeper, until you factored in the P&P of £7.50 IIRC.
I lost out as I would not cave in, some muppet paid the postage cost (on an item that went for £2.50), seller made what he wanted.
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Post by midlifecrisis on Apr 26, 2007 9:35:18 GMT
The thing is that to have fleabay do anything about listing violations is that somone must have reported it to them in the first place. Anyone else selling similar items and wanted to 'do away' with the competition? I've had it done to me before, so just went looking for people selling similar and if there was anything dodgy then reported them. Cheers Andy Interesting theory but have to agree that someone is reporting these items to ebay as there is no way on earth that they could monitor it unless they have 1000's of people watching the ads. I have had a couple of ads knocked back by them but not for saying that it was advertised elsewhere. The rules regarding adding fees for paypal are pretty clear, and in the past have emailed the seller advising that they could have there ad removed, and got thanks for it (not everyone reads the small print). It may be an interesting project to see if we had a look at the "dealers" who advertise and see if they get their ads removed if they were reported for infringement. If you look at this one cgi.ebay.co.uk/DAEWOO-LANOS-1-6-SE-BUY-OR-CHEAP-LONG-TERM-RENTAL_W0QQitemZ140108543345QQihZ004QQcategoryZ18179QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItemIn my mind this is in breach of the rules 1. As it is not selling it for 1p and 2. You are being diverted to their website. But, in my mind, because they place so many ads they are allegedly getting away with it. Another cgi.ebay.co.uk/2000-Fiat-Marea-1-8-16v-115_W0QQitemZ130103914898QQihZ003QQcategoryZ9843QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItemAgain because they are asking to view a website (this is why my ad was removed) "ViEW WEBSITE www.avenuerdcars.co.uk FINANCE AVAILABLE SUBJECT TO STATUS" These advertise lots of cars...... this = ££££ for listings Sorry I must jump down off my soap box now  |
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Post by Ghoti on Apr 26, 2007 9:45:03 GMT
That second item (not looked at the first) is a clasified ad.
From Ebay:
Ebay seems to be mostly retailers now rather than private punters. I think it has lost its origional idea, but is still usefull. You can check prices of similar items easily, then goto the retailier's website and see if it is cheaper.
Although I use ebay to view products a fair amount, I rarely buy from there (I've got 11 stars in 3 years).
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Post by iooi on Apr 26, 2007 9:51:12 GMT
[quote author=ghoti board=general thread=1177528502 post=1177577596I won a very local collection and the seller would not let me collect. He said he did not want me to know where he lived. .[/quote] Well i will not let peeps collect but have deliverd to their address, usually free of charge if within reason and i am going in that direction. As for sticky label.. Mmm sheet of A4 for invoice which has address on it and a bit of sticky tape.. Lets see i paid £1.49 for 500 sheets of A4 and i think 50p for 6 rolls of tape. You can work that out yourself.. |
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Post by midlifecrisis on Apr 26, 2007 10:05:08 GMT
That second item (not looked at the first) is a clasified ad. From Ebay: Ebay seems to be mostly retailers now rather than private punters. I think it has lost its origional idea, but is still usefull. You can check prices of similar items easily, then goto the retailier's website and see if it is cheaper. Although I use ebay to view products a fair amount, I rarely buy from there (I've got 11 stars in 3 years). Point taken mate, but I think a lot would agree its one rule for one etc Paul |
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Post by m40man on Apr 26, 2007 10:34:08 GMT
My own suspicions are that someone reported Colin's listing.
On the subject of excessive postage - I understand the arguments, but why whinge? If the cost was clear, & you still bid on it, that's up to you, surely??
If the cost wasn't clear - you should have clarified it before bidding. Again, that's up to you.
As for having Ghoti turn up at your house - I think this comes down to whether you are trying to sell your home & whether you can stand the likely dip in it's value. And the impact on the overall neighbourhood, too of course.
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Post by Ghoti on Apr 26, 2007 10:41:36 GMT
As for having Ghoti turn up at your house - I think this comes down to whether you are trying to sell your home & whether you can stand the likely dip in it's value. And the impact on the overall neighbourhood, too of course. So that's why I had to meet you around the back of the industrial estate when I bought the Fazer off you. I thought your story of the house being quarantined due to an outbreak of athletes foot sounded funny at the time |
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Post by ddfjr on Apr 27, 2007 20:58:29 GMT
An update for you regarding the Auction that EBay decided was against there rules. I have highlighted the areas that might interest some of you that use EBay Hello,
Thank you for your reply regarding your query. I apologize for the delay in responding.
When an item receives a bid on eBay, that bid is a legally binding
contract between the seller and the bidder.
Buyers should have surety that the item they bid on will not change or become unavailable during the auction process. Therefore, sellers are not permitted to include any
wording within the Item Description that implies that they are exempt from the sale of a successfully-completed auction item, nor may they alter the initial item(s) that was listed for sale.
In order to preserve the buying experience on eBay, sellers are not permitted to list items on the site;
1) if they do not intend to honor the listing agreement, or,
2) that they cannot deliver to the winner/buyer, or,
3) that they intend to change during the auction
process (adding to auctions is permitted - changing the actual item for sale is not permitted).
As such, it is a violation if a seller indicates:
-that they have the right to cancel their listing at any time, for any reason.
-that their listed item is also for sale simultaneously off eBay (e.g.
local market),
-that the item was in stock at the time of listing but that it may be out of stock at the time of purchase
-that the item listed may not necessarily be the one that the winning bidder receives upon auction completion So be warned. If you decide to put anything on EBay AND have it advertised on other sites (like here for example) DO NOT mention that in your listing as it will get pulled, your account will be suspended, ALL of your auctions will be pulled & your previous auctions will be looked at again |
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