THE END IS NIGH

[OatCake Productions]

The end is nigh for motorcycling as we know it as new petrol motorcycles will no longer be sold in the UK from 2035 – that’s a key message from the Government’s Transport Decarbonisation Plan.

I was bored, so i did a bit of routing around in the depths of the internet.

Plans to ban sales of new petrol/diesel cars and vans by 2030, have been in place for some time, but motorcycles and scooters now have their own ‘sell by’ date. This also includes three-wheelers and other L-category vehicles, along with hybrid cars/vans.

The Department for Transport’s (DfT) Decarbonisation Plan makes it clear that there will be no loophole for petrol bikes. “While cars and vans outnumber motorcycles on UK roads, motorcycles are an important and sizeable vehicle population,” it says, “with 1.4 million licensed in 2020, and we do not want to see them remaining fossil-fuelled as the rest of the vehicle fleet cleans up.”

The DfT does appear to recognise that powered two-wheelers have a role to play in cutting emissions. “Zero-emission motorcycles and other powered two-wheelers are an efficient and clean form of mobility that can reduce congestion, improve urban air quality and reduce noise,” it adds.

The consultation on 2035 will be held this year, but the date could be brought forward, “if a faster transition appears feasible,” according to the DfT. The Motorcycle Industry Association (MCIA) which will be part of the consultation process, welcomed the announcement of a ‘sell by’ date for petrol.

What they fail to recognise is the majority of those 1.4 million bikes only travel on the road two days a year and one of those is to go for its MOT test.

So as it stands the date of 2035 is not set in stone and can be brought forward as it was with the ban on petrol/diesel car sales from 2040 to 2035 and then 2030 a few months later.

This is all to to with reaching a zero emision status.

But there are problems with battery powered cars which everyone in goverment and the industry is keep quiet about.

A report issued by the university of Chile stated.

'The mining if lithium is invasive, it scars the landscape, it destroys the water table, it pollutes the earth and poisons local wells.  It is not a green solution, in fact it's not a sollution at all'.

plus there's Colbalt which is a highly toxic metal mined in the Congo using mainly child labour with no protective clothing.  They're definitely keeping quiet on that matter.

What about the waste?  Australlian research shows that approximately only 2 percent of lithium-ion waste has been recycled, the rest has ended up in landfill where the toxic waste eventually leaks into the enviroment.

There has even been reports of fires at uk recycling sites due to lithium batteries exploding in the crusher sending toxic fumes into the atmosphere.

A report from the industry stated.

'Because of the damage caused to the enviroment with greenhouse gasses in the production of the lithium-ion batteries,   a battery powered vehicle will have to do approximately 70,000 miles before it reaches a zero emision status, but before it reaches that zero emision status the batteries would require changing at which point it's emision status is reset. so they will never reach a zero emision status'.

Not so green after all eh.

That's the beauty about the internet.  You can find out about anything if you have the time to dig deep.

Then there's the problem of the charging infrastructure which we all know will never be good enough in the UK.

If they get this aggresive over having to wait 30 mins for fuel, imagine what these apes are going to be like when they have to wait hours for a vacant charging point.

But that's not all.

As of next year all NEW MODELS of cars will be fitted with speed limiters, which will be a combination of GPS and speed sign recognition cameras (motorbikes are soon to follow). 

So in the not so distant future you will never be able to break the speed limit and you'll be forever stuck behind that asshole towing a caravan.  Effing brilliant.

It's just another excuse to reduce our already deminished police force and eradicate the cost of expensive speed cameras.

Also there is to be released an anti-tampering legislation sometime next year which apparently won't allow you to change anything on the vehicle, it will have to remain OEM standard.   This may even go as far as limiting your tyre choice.

And there is talk about it's going to be retro-spective (i think that's the right word).  So if you have made any changes to your current vehicle (exhaust, mirrors, indicators and even your seat) you will have to change it back to OEM standard otherwise you'll be breaking the law.

I wonder if this will include hard luggage if it wasn't standard OEM.

We shall have to wait and see what the final wording of the legislation is as it isn't very clear at the moment.  But what ever it is, it coming into effect soon.

[soggybiker]

Something else to jailbreak and put an offset on. Technology and particularly electronics is infinitely adaptable.

[OatCake Productions]

Dec 8, 2021 1:41:26 GMT soggybiker said:

Something else to jailbreak and put an offset on. Technology and particularly electronics is infinitely adaptable.

Yes they are.  But; and it's a big BUT.

When a vehicle goes in for MOT it will be plugged in to the computer and put on a rolling road.

The system will know what speed the vehicle is actually doing in comparison to what the electronics are saying it's doing and if they are not the same (within the small differential percentage set by legislation), they will know its been tampered with and it will fail the MOT.

They will also place speed limit signs in front of the vehicle and if the vehicle can go faster than that speed limit sign they will know its been tampered with and it will fail the MOT.

They will also check the telemetry monitoring and if it shows the vehicle in a different place other than the MOT testing station they will know its been tampered with and it will fail the MOT.

Any of the above will not only cost an arm and a leg to put back to standard so it will pass the MOT, but you'll also receive a large fine and points on your licence for breaking the new anti-tampering laws laid out in the new legislation.

This is the main reasons for the new legislations of which some have already been passed through government under the cover of COVID and the latest is to be released next year.   Yes, while everyone was worrying about COVID and getting enraged over lockdown restrictions the government snuck the new legislations in under the radar without anyone knowing.

How under handed of them, surely they couldn't be that devious  .

Yes we all know that electronics can hicup every now and then, as a recent case earlier this year showed.

A young man was contacted by his insurance company telling him they were increasing his insurance premiums because his telemetry box said he'd had an accident, which he knew he hadn't.

After investigation it showed that the accident happened 300 miles off the coast of Morocco thirty years before he was born and 35 years before the car was built.

Like him, it will be up to you to prove your innocence.

Big brother stopped watching you a long time ago. They are now in the process of controling you.

[m40man]

My view is that it’s a “change” rather than an “end”.

True, a more severe change than moving from carbs to fuel injection ( which I really really don’t like).

It’s always been the way, change.

For me personally I want gear changes, not auto boxes, which puts me right off electric cars. But here we are, it was always going to happen.

I wonder what proposals or protections will exist for “classic” vehicles? Trixie & my cb750 are looking like my investments in the future! Always assuming I’m still around & wanting to ride then of course.

Modern petrol machines are, for me, already a bit sterile & soulless compared to earlier incarnations. Semi-auto, abs, traction control. Ugh, enough already!

Those following us old cronies won’t know any different & will probably love their electric beasts. Rather like us lot, not appreciating what we’ve never had, that our forebears enjoyed. Like penny farthings or riding horseback for our commutes & pleasure.

[OatCake Productions]

A change it may be, but this a change for the worse as I see it.
Apart from touring caravans that is, with any luck the power required to tow the tin tent, it's batteries will be dead by time it reaches the end of the drive.

In answer to your question. The classic car world are very concerned about what the final wording will be in the anti-tampering legislation.

[m40man]

Dec 10, 2021 20:47:41 GMT OatCake Productions said:

A change it may be, but this a change for the worse as I see it.

Agreed. It’s a horrible prospect, don’t get me wrong.

I’m already pretty annoyed that my petrol car’s default is to argue with me when I don’t want to indicate left after completing an overtaking move. Me & the Highway Code agree on that one. My lad’s electric car governs his driving even more. If we are to go all electric, they could at least something for us “motorists” to do by cutting out some of the tech control.

[Greendivvy Beeb]

I'm hoping my D9 will still be running in 2035  might be difficult to find an original exhaust . Might have to start producing my own fuel.

It'll be okay, we'll be riding hover bikes and cars which pilot themselves so we can all just become dummies and couch potato's with robots doing our day jobs.

Future's bright .

[soggybiker]

What we need is people who have actually ridden bikes to be involved in the lawmaking, as opposed to those who never have and dislike that others do. We survived the BMW/EU attempt to ban air cooled bikes and our own government proposal to reduce bikes to 20mph in 30mph zones.
Seeing off spy boxes being compulsory on bikes but not in cars shouldn't be too difficult, and having just ridden for a year without an MOT (I have a receipt for one but nothing on the DVLA system)it would seem that monitoring is far from perfect.

[OatCake Productions]

Dec 11, 2021 22:19:15 GMT soggybiker said:

What we need is people who have actually ridden bikes to be involved in the lawmaking, as opposed to those who never have and dislike that others do.

That will never happen.
Laws on motorcycles have always and always will be made by people who don't ride them.

Dec 11, 2021 22:19:15 GMT soggybiker said:

Seeing off spy boxes being compulsory on bikes but not in cars shouldn't be too difficult,

Telemetry monitoring is to be introduced on all vehicles, not just bikes.

[speighty]

More of a reason to hang onto our 'vintage' bikes !!

[bev]

2035 is a long way off yet. Realities of charging points etc will be apparent by then. I'll be 75, my riding is limited now I doubt, if I'm still here, that it will be any better by then.

So, not my worry, however my family will find their riding curtailed, my Grandson only started riding this year (16) so he'll be in his prime by then. Might be he'll be more inclined to embrace change than I am.

[OatCake Productions]

Jan 4, 2022 14:31:24 GMT bev said:

2035 is a long way off yet. Realities of charging points etc will be apparent by then. I'll be 75, my riding is limited now I doubt, if I'm still here, that it will be any better by then.

So, not my worry, however my family will find their riding curtailed, my Grandson only started riding this year (16) so he'll be in his prime by then. Might be he'll be more inclined to embrace change than I am.

2035 may seem a long way off Bev, but it will be here before you know it. Time does pass by us a lot quicker the older we get.
I'll be 76 by then and I guess dinosaur juice will still be available a good while after that.
Hopefully I'll still be riding by then and many years after.

There is still the chance that the idiot in charge will bring it forward as Bumbling Boris has done with the car date (2040 to 2030).


But regardless of whether or not I can still ride the bike, I will still be driving the car a good while after 2030 (fingers crossed).



My granddaughter will grow up with it, so will probably never know any different.
Her car will probably drive itself, while she just sits there chatting to her mates on social media.

[soggybiker]

I strongly suspect that the unelected Ms Fishers Net Zero policy may not survive the next fuel increases. As no other party has a thought anywhere near reality or an interest in the working class. I am guessing we are largely screwed. BTW new vehicles are about to get scarce and expensive. A specific compressible neon is used in the lasers that etch chips. A new car can have up to 1200 of these, and 70% of the neon produced is made in Odessa.

[bev]

Given the price of petrol I'm sure stacks of people are looking for electric vehicles.

Blatant profiteering from the petrol companies in the face of the rise of 'cleaner' transport.

Might have to get rid of the motorhome and get a smaller car at this rate.

The bikes can stay.

Not that I can ride them much. Need a knee and a hip. Will wait until I'm 90 in Sturgeon's Utopia. 

I did get a Harley, riding that brings its own problems but at least I can get on it lol. 

[OatCake Productions]

The latest news regarding the ban on ICE motorcycles in the UK has been amended.

The ban on the sale of petrol motorcycles 125cc and under has now been brought forward from 2035 to 2030.

Nothing yet has been said regarding larger capacity motorcycles, but I don't think it will be long before they do.

[soggybiker]

That actually makes sense. If you want to get rid of petrol bikes, you have to stop people passing tests on them. Of course, if this was about pollution, then banning the least polluting petrol efficient bikes which are most likely used for commuting in towns makes no sense at all. I wonder what Klaus Schwab and the W.E.F. have to say about petrol/diesel motor vehicles? While they talk about progressive policy, they also represent some of the richest and nastiest companies on the planet and are about cornering markets, not about people. They have no qualms about subverting politicians, look at Trudeau, Ardern and our own Boris or at least his Mrs who fan girls for them. I will have to take some time to do some reading.

[soggybiker]

Yeah, this is not happening, the pushback has begun. So Vanguard, State Street and BlackRock the most evil of capitalists decided that showing their softer side by becoming all touchy-feely and faux Marxist/progressive was a route that along with some cultural changes intended by some other people would allow them to make the most efficient profit not the most profit but an opportunity to control the means of production and the market, basically using/buying politicians to create the situation where they corner and dictate the market.

The UN and the WEF have determined the only climate change data that is required is worst case scenario and terrifying yet another generation is the way forward. The people have to give up everything to ensure the elites are unaffected. While this is all terribly conspiracy theorist, I point you towards Oxford where the utter lunatics elected have decided to prepare to lock everyone in their 15-minute city zones, seemingly unaware that getting rid of democracy was the first step in the to-do list and telling voters they don't have the same rights as anywhere else may lead to some heated discussions. The joke is the UK is actually pretty good as far as climate change goes, and we have very little room for improvement. China and India opening at least one coal-fired power station a week for the next 28 years will offset us sinking beneath the waves and ceasing to exist. White saviour arrogance seems to lead to us needing to be punished. I guess we did kick off the First Industrial Revolution.

Then there is EV technology. Not my thing, but a career in tech pointed me in the right direction. There is no such thing as a zero emissions vehicle, never mind the electricity generation and how we swapped to dim light bulbs because it saved off addressing the mess that is our grid for a few more years which cannot support the charging. Every vehicle has brakes, and 20% of every vehicles overall pollution is brake dust. Then there is the lithium and cobalt. If you are a fan of slave labour not a problem but if you are a green talking, virtue signalling high ground moralist it's pretty hard to defend the dirtiest of quarrying and manufacturing leading to the deaths of all those child slaves to make your green product.

So yes Vanguard have already backed away from ESG and Boris is not currently relevant, So spending several times our GDP to make life worse for most people may be off the cards. Even Sadiq Khan is having a hard time. Perhaps if addressing the pollution caused by tube instead of pricing poor people out of their cars or maybe not lying about it would have helped. BTW our wonderful London Mayor is the top man for 15 minute cities in the Uk among the other jobs he juggles, a conflict of interest, perhaps.

Judging by the state of our political system by 2030 somebody may be able to tell us what a woman is by then, but achieve net-zero, no chance.

[m40man]

Well that's quite the rant! I haven't the inclination to go full refute on you, but Where on Earth did you get that spin about Oxford?

It's so completely not what you are suggesting it is.

[soggybiker]

It certainly is, but was not intended as such, feel free to refute away that after all is the purpose of a forum. I would suggest that UK politics is past the point of Left or Right, and Globalist or Nationalist is far more relevant. I would also suggest that bought or honest bears a thought. Net Zero is a Top-down global policy based on remarkably alarmist climate change modelling and their solution is for the people to give up everything, so the elites can be sure to continue the lifestyles they wish to enjoy.

As for Oxford, I am aware you are in a position and occupation to know. I guess people can enjoy what they voted for. Correct me if I am wrong, but roads have already been blocked in preparation for the low traffic neighbourhood trial, cutting school and commuter runs. Last I read, 151 Local businesses had already claimed to be affected adversely. That is a feature, not a bug of the whole 15-minute city idea, you don't need independent/small shops a supermarket in every postcode will provide. As for the data collected by Oxford CC regarding the matter, there seems to be some debate about its integrity? How shocking that road blocks and cameras have been vandalized and that people won't do as they are told. It's almost as though a techno stasi needs to be created to monitor and police the situation. Now I hope very much I am wrong, and I also hope Oxford doesn't stand for it because it is step one in a very slippery slope.

[bev]

I can see that there are still some entertaining views on here. Aside from Oatcake productions which are always nice to watch.

I do agree that we are pishing in th wind on climate change when India, China, Russia and the US are still on the planet.

Of course develpoping countries still have their advances to make. Meanwhile I am expected to jump through hoops and shell out hard earned cash in the name of climate science.

[soggybiker]

Well, I am glad you are entertained. Your ever more authoritarian and centralized government has some interesting ideas for your future, or at least the future of your cities. I honestly don't think their open criminality or its current leader's incompetence and hatred of white people will actually stop the Scots from voting them back in. Because Freedom!

Are you still riding? I am struggling with a bike that likes to catch fire at worst and blow rectifier/regulators at best. The generator signals out correctly but something else happens, causing a catastrophic failure.

[bev]

Aug 18, 2023 8:32:24 GMT soggybiker said:

Well, I am glad you are entertained. Your ever more authoritarian and centralized government has some interesting ideas for your future, or at least the future of your cities. I honestly don't think their open criminality or its current leader's incompetence and hatred of white people will actually stop the Scots from voting them back in. Because Freedom!

Are you still riding? I am struggling with a bike that likes to catch fire at worst and blow rectifier/regulators at best. The generator signals out correctly but something else happens, causing a catastrophic failure.

I'm still riding when I can. I got myself a Harley sportster so climbing on doesn't hurt so much. who knew the feet forward riding style could be so comfortable. I just sold my GSX1250FA, for peanuts really given the low mileage, but it had become an ornament. I currently have my old Bandit 1200 in the lockup and my retirement project Suzuki GS850. Just gave my D9 to my eldest and my middle lad Dave still has my original D9.

Good luck with the firestarter,  though the Generator signals correctly it may also be intermittent I'd start there.  What are you riding these days ? 

I'm not so sure Mr Useless and his deluded followers will get quite the landslide vote they crave up here. They are damaged by the very things they claimed were the domain of Westminster, sleaze, incompetence and a whiff of downright criminality. 

[soggybiker]

Well, glad you are still on two wheels, Long may it continue.
yup it's the generator, rectifier/regulator something with the ecu that looks like too much current and a fault on the earth side that I can't place, but I am thinking ground bounce and so considering whether it is salvageable atm. Beyond that, I bought a nasty little lex motolxr125se on the ground that I was looking for a smaller bike for local commuting and wanted something fully faired and over braked to possibly convert to a proper electric bike at some point in the future. Daisy makes a nice little 72v power pack and will tailor a final drive to your bike and as that frame was originally built with a 380cc motor and is a twin disc/single disc brakes so fitted the bill. I preferred my 1970s CG125 but build quality is better than expected. It's only 10.5BHP and fuel economy is crap at anything other that about 50mph where you get about 48 to the gallon, apparently Euro6 compliant means not as good as what was done 50 years before but the underpower and over use of fuel is somehow clean and green.

As for Hamza and the SNP, they achieved something insane for a fringe party, but couldn't have done so without the utter disregard of the Labour Party and them counting on the Scottish vote while doing nothing for Scotland and then repeating with the red wall. The SNP have lost vote share at every election, but the vote is still with them. I hope you are right, but don't see any good options for the UK at the moment, never mind Scotland. I am aware of the irony of a Hindu in the south and a Muslim in the north determining the partition of the UK. What I don't understand is how a nationalist party can be so internationalist but what do I know?