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Post by El Fuego on Jun 1, 2021 9:13:20 GMT
That's me fully-jabbed now. (Had dose 2 yesterday). And my vaccination status is updated today:
COVID-19 Vaccination Status <snip of personal details> Disease targeted COVID-19 Country of vaccination Scotland Issued by NHS Scotland Doses received 2 Dose 1 of 2 20/03/2021 Manufacturer AstraZeneca AB Vaccine medicinal product Vaxzevria Vaccine/Prophylaxis Covid-19 vaccines Dose 2 of 2 31/05/2021 Manufacturer AstraZeneca AB Vaccine medicinal product Vaxzevria Vaccine/Prophylaxis Covid-19 vaccines
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Post by soggybiker on Jun 6, 2021 12:24:48 GMT
Get my second jab on the 9th. I finally got to book a location not 20 miles from home. Am I the only person here who finds the redefining of Anti-vaxxing and the idea of Covid passports alarming?
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Post by m40man on Jun 9, 2021 9:48:08 GMT
Get my second jab on the 9th. I finally got to book a location not 20 miles from home. Ditto, just back from my 2nd jab, 12 minute walk away 🙂.
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Post by soggybiker on Jun 10, 2021 7:57:41 GMT
And feel awful slept from 18:00 last night to 08:00 this morning and going back to bed after food.
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Post by El Fuego on Jun 11, 2021 11:57:30 GMT
Which vaccine?
I had the AZ one (both doses) and had no symptoms or reactions at all, other than a very slight soreness if I pressed at the vaccine site on my arm.
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COVID Jab
Jun 11, 2021 18:03:28 GMT
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Post by OatCake Productions on Jun 11, 2021 18:03:28 GMT
Had my second AZ jab on 5th June. No side effects, not even sore at the point of impact.
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Post by soggybiker on Jun 12, 2021 3:48:46 GMT
Had AZ some pain at injection point and them sore joints and couldn't go 12 hours without sleeping since, which will make work interesting today. No issues from the first one.
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COVID Jab
Jun 12, 2021 9:22:40 GMT
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Post by m40man on Jun 12, 2021 9:22:40 GMT
AZ for me too. Very slight soreness at injection site, but no other issues.
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Post by OatCake Productions on Jun 16, 2021 14:03:18 GMT
Am I the only person here who finds the redefining of Anti-vaxxing and the idea of Covid passports alarming? What do you mean by "the redefining of Anti-Vaxxing"? If you mean redefining the term "Anti-vaxxers" to "Complete and utter knobs" then yes you probably are the only one that finds that alarming. They should make the Complete and utter knobs, sorry anti-vaxxers go and have the vaxinations to help protect me/you and my/your family. They make my blood boil. They go round spreading diseases and don't give a hoot if it ends up killing someones wife/husband/parents/grandparents or worst of all kids. As for COVID passports, I believe we should have to have them. If your not vaccinated and have a COVID passport then you can't go in the pub/cinema/theatre and spread the disease.
And for Petes sake, don't go on about discrimination. I've been discriminated against for most of my life because I've always ridden a motorbikes. There's been many occasions over the years that I've not been allowed into certain places because I was in bike gear, (pubs, restaurants, camp sites [1] to name a few). But do you here me winging and wining and protesting here there and everywhere. NO you don't, I just act like an adult and get on with life. I certainly don't go throwing my teddy out of the pram and start acting like a spoiled brat. Ah; good to have a rant every now and then. [1] that's not sites for camp people.
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Post by soggybiker on Jun 18, 2021 17:13:58 GMT
Yeah, how stunning and brave of you not to post on your main.
Merriam Webster you know the dictionary people have literally come up with a new definition of anti vaxxer that is so poorly defined it could include those vaccinated.
As for covid passports a great way to get a multi tier society. If you want the government to determine who you can meet socially and more importantly cannot and have no issue then you either have not thought it through or are incapable of doing so. Shortly it will be can't work unless vaccinated as the private sector jumps in.
As for discrimination, well you mentioned it not I and my heart bleeds for you. You are so oppressed and persecuted, how do you manage?
As for the massive growth in anti-vaxxers in the last decade and change well that can be laid at Facebook's door the people who pressed faux articles onto feeds their algorithm told them it would hold their attention. Now they have now determined it is a bad thing and are shadowbanning articles and accounts over covid posts. Again I guess a private company censoring information wouldn't cause you concern.
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Post by m40man on Jun 18, 2021 19:18:36 GMT
Yeah, how stunning and brave of you not to post on your main. Merriam Webster you know the dictionary people have literally come up with a new definition of anti vaxxer that is so poorly defined it could include those vaccinated. I don't understand your first line . AFAICS Merriam Webster's current definition is; "a person who opposes vaccination or laws that mandate vaccination" . That seems OK to me. www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/anti-vaxxerShortly it will be can't work unless vaccinated as the private sector jumps in. I strongly support mandatory vaccination for some occupations - I'm grateful to any care home companies already requiring it, in advance of it becoming mandatory in law. As for the massive growth in anti-vaxxers in the last decade and change well that can be laid at Facebook's door the people who pressed faux articles onto feeds their algorithm told them it would hold their attention. Now they have now determined it is a bad thing and are shadowbanning articles and accounts over covid posts. Again I guess a private company censoring information wouldn't cause you concern. I agree with you that social media sites' algorithms feed you ideas which tend to support your current tendencies. I think "echo chamber" is a fair metaphor. I think it's perhaps late in the day, but nonetheless welcomed, that they should "censor" such faux articles. You think faux articles spouting anti-vax messages are OK? As you are choosing to be vaccinated, I'm maybe misunderstanding your position? Not a rant. Just my considered opinion.
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Post by bobh on Jun 18, 2021 22:27:30 GMT
Let's go back to fundamentals and ask the question, "What is the purpose of vaccination?" I would suggest that the simple answer is, "To protect the individual." As I understand it, a vaccinated person can still be a carrier, in the same way that an asymptomatic person may be. Vaccination is not intended to prevent the circulation of the virus within the population, it simply means it doesn't kill so many people or make so many ill. I went and got vaccinated purely in order to protect myself, not to protect others. Of course, a secondary, and worthy, effect should be to reduce the risk that I might need the services of the NHS as a result of catching the disease, but it's not the main reason I took the decision to be vaccinated. I take different measures to protect others - such things as wearing a mask, social distancing and hygiene, and I haven't stopped doing these things since being vaccinated.
Anyway, let's say I now acquire a Covid passport in order to go to the pub, or wherever. It seems I'm now deemed to be "safe", even though it actually says nothing about whether I could be infectious and capable of passing on the disease. The only way to check that is by testing, but even there, the current methods are either unreliable or long-winded and costly. Of course, if everyone else in the pub has also been vaccinated, that drastically reduces the chances of me (or another carrier) infecting someone else. On the other hand, if some of the people there haven't been vaccinated, they are the ones at risk, but that's a risk they've taken on themselves, and I don't see that it should be the venue's responsibility to protect them from their folly.
Let's consider the analogous situation that we find ourselves in as motorcyclists. We personally accept the associated risks, and generally resist any attempt to enforce mandatory safety constraints on us, although being generally sensible people we do voluntarily wear appropriate protective gear etc.
To return to Covid passports - I have a card from the vaccination centre that I (and I assume M40man) went to, that shows I've had two doses. I would have no problem in showing that to anyone with reasonable cause to see it. But as I understand Big Sibling's idea of an official Covid passport, that card is not sufficient proof. So in order to issue me with one, he/she wants to consolidate lots of personal details, no doubt including totally irrelevant ones, in some central data repository, probably operated by one of Boris' cronies at great public expense, who will then find a way to sell it on for marketing, or perhaps more sinister, purposes. That I'm not comfortable with.
I also can't square it with the long-held aversion of this government's party to the concept of ID cards. But then this is the same lot that is proposing to require photo ID in order to vote - but I guess that's a different hornets' nest.
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COVID Jab
Jun 19, 2021 8:15:14 GMT
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Post by OatCake Productions on Jun 19, 2021 8:15:14 GMT
To return to Covid passports - I have a card from the vaccination centre that I (and I assume M40man) went to, that shows I've had two doses. I would have no problem in showing that to anyone with reasonable cause to see it. But as I understand Big Sibling's idea of an official Covid passport, that card is not sufficient proof. So in order to issue me with one, he/she wants to consolidate lots of personal details, no doubt including totally irrelevant ones, in some central data repository, probably operated by one of Boris' cronies at great public expense, who will then find a way to sell it on for marketing, or perhaps more sinister, purposes. That I'm not comfortable with. Sorry to have to tell you Bob, but they already have sold off most of your info. They've being selling everyone's DVLA records off for years. And they are currently compiling everyone's NHS records to be sold off to anyone who's willing to pay for them. I believe 23rd June is the cut off date for all GP's to hand over everyones medical records. But you will probably already know you can opt out of this (Haha, Yeah right. I bet they still share our records, or probably already have). If you instal and log into the NHS app (not the covid app) you will see they already have all the info required. You can share or download your Covid vaccination status (COVID passport) for travel purposes from the app. If you can; so can they, whomever they may be. Here's my Passport. (Private info Omited, including 2D barcode)
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Post by OatCake Productions on Jun 19, 2021 12:44:09 GMT
Yeah, how stunning and brave of you not to post on your main. 'My Main'. It has been Since 2007. 2 years prior to you signing in as soggybiker in 2009, approximately 2 months before your 41st birthday if I'm not mistaken. Now if I know that, THEY certainly do. DA DA DAAAAAA.Â
Nothing is secret my friends. I've also used El_bandito (don't use that anymore as I don't own a Bandit. Plus he died in a flurry of whacky pain killing drugs and never to post again).
The one before that when I owned a Divvy was Oilrag. I'm the old fart wearing the super-sized big boy pants, 2nd from the left who rides the Big Red Triumph Tiger Explorer. Attendee of 100's of runs from south of England to Scotland, from Skegness to Barmouth. Oraniser of many runs, (Oatcake Runs. OAP's. Derby Runs, The Bomber run, Mystery Tours, The Welsh Rarebit's to name a few). The one who has all the cameras attached to him YDC YouTube LinkThere is another login I've used, but not many if any know what that is. Now; I bet some are wondering how come I've only posted 151 times (as of this post) since 2007. Well that was to do with a massive drugs meltdown of the medicated super addictive pain killing prescription kind. Sorry this post went a bit off track. but had to explain who I am to those who didn't know, which isn't very many.
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Post by bobh on Jun 19, 2021 23:21:56 GMT
Sure, I'm well aware that my data is hardly secret, but that doesn't mean I have to take it lying down.
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Post by GAv on Jun 22, 2021 12:52:12 GMT
Maybe I'm a bit slow off the mark but I was a bit shocked to hear on a consumer program,amazing how if requested that you cannot freely acess youre own details as it transgresses Data Protection however on this occassion the expert informed the innocent(me),that when one agrees to cookies that is tantamount to giving those asking carte blanche to destribute (sell) on personal data- also I gather many survey lence posts outside shops etc not only have cameras, that do nothing to deter malcontents, or do little it seems to identify ner do wells, but they also house readers that can grab info from youre smart mobile and sell it on to be bought by those wanting to know personal buying habits.
Big Bro has long since been amidst us, awaits knock on the door and being wisked off to a hospital Covid Ward. Paranoia is no guarantee that others aint after you.
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Post by OatCake Productions on Jul 23, 2021 8:13:01 GMT
Well I've just wet myself laughing.
A guy on the news says he is not having the covid jab because according to him; they can track you, know what your thinking and they will be able to know how much you have in your bank accounts.
What a complete and utter idiot.
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Post by bobh on Jul 23, 2021 9:46:28 GMT
Well I've just wet myself laughing. A guy on the news says he is not having the covid jab because according to him; they can track you, know what your thinking and they will be able to know how much you have in your bank accounts. What a complete and utter idiot. Darwin rules!
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Post by soggybiker on Aug 10, 2021 16:16:00 GMT
Sorry El_Bandito and obviously I didn't know it was you. You may have come across a little government and BBC propaganda since I posted. Everyone not toeing the line is now an anti-vaxxer, regardless of whether they are jabbed or not. Protest vaccine passports, and you are an anti-vaxxer and catchy phrases like ' No Jab, no Job'as though the medical apartheid of the Uk is a light-hearted joke The NHS app sells your data and as some as they can stop it exponentially isolating people they will grow its purpose, probably to access all your medical records. I guess they have to pay for that abomination somehow after the billions spent, but it will prevent a second lockdown.... Oh and here's Boris on Blairs ID card scheme which looks nonintrusive in comparison Here
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