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Post by PrincessPunk on Jan 4, 2017 21:27:41 GMT
Evening all, should also sayhappy new year!  back again to pester you all with more questions  Ive been looking into doing a blue spot conversion and it looks pretty straightforward and I'm pretty confident I can do it, I just have a few things I want to get straight before I get ordering parts and stuff >I've noticed that the bikes they come off all have floating discs while xj9's have sliding calipers. I take it the action of the opposed pistons centres on the disc and everything is dandy from there? Just have to keep an eye on it to make sure nothing seizes >Are there any that are particularly good, any to avoid, for instance would the ones from an r1 be better than say an fzs600 and are there only some year models of the bikes it is possible on? its all a little confusing because, for one, on eBay they often don't specify what year there from and stuff, so thus far I'm kind of in the dark. If anyone could help shed light on this I would be most appreciative because two scares where the front brake does nothing is just two too many and I want to get it sorted thank you for your wisdom sarah also have a link here for a set I've found, if anyone could confirm that they're the thing to go for I would very appreciative www.ebay.co.uk/itm/272504814449 |
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Post by HRHpenfold on Jan 4, 2017 22:41:22 GMT
These are better, and will fit, they are much newer and more complete, even though they are not blue, they are actually better as they have non corrode Pistons Yamaha just made them in several colours on later bikes. www.ebay.co.uk/itm/yamaha-fazer-fz6-front-calipers-/262780480582?hash=item3d2eefec46:g:okQAAOSw44BYYpHaI have a correct master cylinder to fit as well if it doesn't come with them, The pair you show will fit, but you will have to buy all the missing bits, so will cost a fair bit to get to work, my link they are complete. |
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Post by PrincessPunk on Jan 4, 2017 23:18:43 GMT
Cheers for the reply! Ah I hadn't looked at them much further than just seeing them and thinking they were the one haha, missing the springs and hose attachments and stuff I take it? It's a bit of a shame that those ones aren't blue (favourite colour) but I'd rather have something with more longevity, could always colour them in with nail varnish haha  I take it the with they would work best with their own Master cylinder? Obviously if I can save myself a bit of work that would be nice but then again, the master cylinder I have is pretty rank anyway. So, just to clarify, these and the master cylinder Are a direct bolt on( excluding hoses) and will do the trick just the same as calipers off of one of the bigger bikes? Not trying to be pedantic, just like to get myself sorted before I commit thanks again dude I really appreciate it |
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Post by HRHpenfold on Jan 4, 2017 23:28:23 GMT
Cheers for the reply! Ah I hadn't looked at them much further than just seeing them and thinking they were the one haha, missing the springs and hose attachments and stuff I take it? It's a bit of a shame that those ones aren't blue (favourite colour) but I'd rather have something with more longevity, could always colour them in with nail varnish haha I take it the with they would work best with their own Master cylinder? Obviously if I can save myself a bit of work that would be nice but then again, the master cylinder I have is pretty rank anyway. So, just to clarify, these and the master cylinder Are a direct bolt on( excluding hoses) and will do the trick just the same as calipers off of one of the bigger bikes? Not trying to be pedantic, just like to get myself sorted before I commit thanks again dude I really appreciate it You will need the correct master cylinder, the Fazer one fits fine Your hoses might fit, at the D9 age they should have been replaced at some time in the past then it's just new pads to fit These would fit if you must have blue, they are 5 years older though, but seem to have good pads, www.ebay.co.uk/itm/YAMAHA-FAZER-600-FRONT-BLUE-SPOT-CALLIPERS-YEAR-02-/291860966512?hash=item43f444ec70:g:kWIAAOSw9IpXxqK2 |
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Post by HRHpenfold on Jan 4, 2017 23:47:09 GMT
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Post by PrincessPunk on Jan 5, 2017 0:14:31 GMT
I hate that I'm so tempted by ones that are older just because they're blue, but I think on recommendation I should go for the silvers, would be silly to shoot myself in the foot just because something is blue! My bike has had braided lines fitted at some point, and I've put a new set of discs on a year ago so it does look like it would just be a bolt on job assuming all the fittings are correct and whatnot. If you've got a spare master cylinder kicking about I'd rather buy that off of you, someone I've spoken to, rather than somebody off eBay, just seems better that way If you're up for that of course would I have to do the crimping on some connectors on any new master cylinders' brake switch? Also just out of curiosity, What do you think of the brakes now that you've done the conversion? |
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Post by PrincessPunk on Jan 5, 2017 0:16:00 GMT
Looking at that master cylinder, my lines will go right on that score |
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Post by mlbv on Jan 5, 2017 0:42:00 GMT
It's a bit of a shame that those ones aren't blue (favourite colour) you've never heard of nail varnish?? |
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Post by PrincessPunk on Jan 5, 2017 1:00:23 GMT
It's a bit of a shame that those ones aren't blue (favourite colour) you've never heard of nail varnish?? great minds think alike I'd said to HRHpenfold that's what I'd do if i went for the silver ones haha I've got blue on right now too |
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Post by HRHpenfold on Jan 5, 2017 9:52:35 GMT
I hate that I'm so tempted by ones that are older just because they're blue, but I think on recommendation I should go for the silvers, would be silly to shoot myself in the foot just because something is blue! My bike has had braided lines fitted at some point, and I've put a new set of discs on a year ago so it does look like it would just be a bolt on job assuming all the fittings are correct and whatnot. If you've got a spare master cylinder kicking about I'd rather buy that off of you, someone I've spoken to, rather than somebody off eBay, just seems better that way If you're up for that of course would I have to do the crimping on some connectors on any new master cylinders' brake switch? Also just out of curiosity, What do you think of the brakes now that you've done the conversion? Yes you will have to crimp new connectors, the D9 switch uses bullet connectors, the Fazer uses mini spade connectors, you either cut the bullet connectors off and crimp on the spade ones, or make a small bullet to spade lead, the switch is a through switch, so it matters not which lead goes to which terminal, what do you get with the fazer brakes, you get a much less wooden feel to the brakes, which doesn't sound a great improvement, but in use it is, two finger braking is possible, also the fazer master cylinder has an adjustable for reach lever, which helps if you have smaller than large man hands |
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Post by PrincessPunk on Jan 5, 2017 13:48:07 GMT
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Post by HRHpenfold on Jan 5, 2017 14:47:57 GMT
The blue ones should work just as well, the silver ones will have better quality pistons, I think they are ceramic coated the blue ones just anodised, all the brakes work as well as each other, no matter what they are fitted too, the only difference will be in the pads, R1 pads will be more aggressive than fazer pads, I have no issues with selling you the FZ6 master cylinder, though I have no issues if you want to buy off ebay either, the timeline with blue spot calipers is early Thundercat, Thunderace, blue spots, have a link pipe underneath the caliper, from one side to the other, later R1, fazer, FJR, TDM,XJR blue spot calipers came without the link pipe, as they are linked internally, later R1 gold spots, FJR and FZ6 series 2 had gold, blue or silver, with ceramic pistons, depending on the bike colour |
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Post by PrincessPunk on Jan 5, 2017 15:51:02 GMT
Hmm, I think with the quality of the Pistons and having done a bit of searching myself (to see if I could find the newer ones in blue hah) they seem to be a damn good deal at 70 quid for the pair, and I suppose new pads will definitely be flat, perfect for my practically brand new discs that are flat too suppose that way I could get the r1 pads for extra bite It was so confusing trying to get the timeline sorted, I didn't realise that there were basically two different times the blue spots were made, one with ceramic and one anodised. I'm gonna do that, get the silvers. How much would you want for the master cylinder you've got? Prefer to put the money in the hand of someone I've spoken to Thank you so much for your help and your patience answering all my questions so excited to get this done and actually have some feel in the brakes! |
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Post by HRHpenfold on Jan 5, 2017 16:32:06 GMT
Hmm, I think with the quality of the Pistons and having done a bit of searching myself (to see if I could find the newer ones in blue hah) they seem to be a damn good deal at 70 quid for the pair, and I suppose new pads will definitely be flat, perfect for my practically brand new discs that are flat too suppose that way I could get the r1 pads for extra bite It was so confusing trying to get the timeline sorted, I didn't realise that there were basically two different times the blue spots were made, one with ceramic and one anodised. I'm gonna do that, get the silvers. How much would you want for the master cylinder you've got? Prefer to put the money in the hand of someone I've spoken to Thank you so much for your help and your patience answering all my questions so excited to get this done and actually have some feel in the brakes! sent you a Pm |
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Post by PrincessPunk on Jan 6, 2017 0:39:46 GMT
Hmm, I think with the quality of the Pistons and having done a bit of searching myself (to see if I could find the newer ones in blue hah) they seem to be a damn good deal at 70 quid for the pair, and I suppose new pads will definitely be flat, perfect for my practically brand new discs that are flat too suppose that way I could get the r1 pads for extra bite It was so confusing trying to get the timeline sorted, I didn't realise that there were basically two different times the blue spots were made, one with ceramic and one anodised. I'm gonna do that, get the silvers. How much would you want for the master cylinder you've got? Prefer to put the money in the hand of someone I've spoken to Thank you so much for your help and your patience answering all my questions so excited to get this done and actually have some feel in the brakes! sent you a Pm Messaged you @hrhpenfold |
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Post by bobh on Jan 7, 2017 0:03:39 GMT
If you can find a pair from a Fazer8 you can have GOLD ones! And no, you're not having mine, so there.
Seriously, if they are more than about 5 years old they ought to have been overhauled with new seals. But whatever you get, check that the pistons move freely (thumb pressure), and ideally give them a smear of red rubber grease before pushing them back in. Also check the ends of the pads for rust and make sure they slide freely.
Something I've found, and I've had a few Yams with "blue spots", is that the OEM pads seem to lose their bite after a few years. So although they may have plenty of meat left on them, the braking performance can be disappointing. I noticed this particularly when I overhauled the calipers on my Thundercat (and fitted braided lines), expecting a huge improvement, and there wasn't any. But changing the pads to EBC HH ones made a massive difference.
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Post by PrincessPunk on Jan 7, 2017 17:56:59 GMT
I think it would be quite hilarious to put gold spots on my ratty old bike but I have already gone for the silvers haha I will give them a good check over before I put them on, I'm Quite into my maintenance on the important parts, I've had trouble with my brakes before due to the bikes neglect when I got it and I'll be damned if it's my fault next time! I'll keep that in mind as well, I had just replaced the discs and pads last year, pads being EBC hh sintered numbers but still just don't have the bite I want when it's really needed! There is braided lines on the bike however I'm pretty sure they're a little ancient and the way the person who did the work set it up, rather than having the piggy back system or the system where it goes down and then splits between, it's just two brake lines run off the master, one to the left and one to the right, so there is a chance that this is another reason for their crappy performance even with the upgraded pads and lines. I'm sure you're supposed to change braided lines ever few years anyway so it may be time I did it Thanks for the advice dude |
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Post by bobh on Jan 9, 2017 12:45:24 GMT
I think the twin pipe layout is fine - mine was like that and worked OK, even with the original calipers. I think it's also a bit easier to bleed, certainly than the piggy back arrangement with a loop over the mudguard. And, in fact, the twin pipe layout is mandatory if you want to race the bike (ahem). So I'd wait until you have the new calipers working before you decide whether to change them.
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Post by PrincessPunk on Jan 9, 2017 21:45:28 GMT
excellent I was worried about how such a thing would work, not the least of which was just that there was so much botched and jerry rigged on the bike when it came to me that I thought it was a sort of sidestep out of doing something properly, but hearing that it's something that other people have or have done put my mind to rest about it. I can see that these calipers are set up to run with a piggy back system from stock which I dont like the thought of so I'm happy its just a case of using a different banjo bolt rather than having to replace lines I may yet change it to a split system depending on performance but I do prefer the two line system for its simplicity, and thats why I find myslef with a divvy in the first place - simplicity. (also because i like the sound of it being mandatory for racing heh) Also I have all the parts now! going to get on it tomorrow starting with getting the spade connectors and brake fluid, time to get greasy! |
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Post by PrincessPunk on Jan 11, 2017 18:29:46 GMT
Hey Got everything installed today and i'm pretty damn happy! sooo much more brake feel and with a lot less work. even felt confident emergency braking in the rain and could actually feel what was happening! need to work on my brake bleeding technique to dial it in properly but very exciting even had fun doing the brake switch connections (although did not have fun getting the components, maplin staff are f****** useless, well, my local one anyway) Cant wait to get some proper riding done and to get settled in with the new system thank you everyone who helped and especially @hrhpenfold for the extensive advice and the master cylinder too! |
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Post by HRHpenfold on Jan 11, 2017 18:37:27 GMT
Hey Got everything installed today and i'm pretty damn happy! sooo much more brake feel and with a lot less work. even felt confident emergency braking in the rain and could actually feel what was happening! need to work on my brake bleeding technique to dial it in properly but very exciting even had fun doing the brake switch connections (although did not have fun getting the components, maplin staff are f****** useless, well, my local one anyway) Cant wait to get some proper riding done and to get settled in with the new system thank you everyone who helped and especially @hrhpenfold for the extensive advice and the master cylinder too! Tie the brake lever back and leave overnight, occasionally turn the bars from lock to lock, so it hits the bump stops, |
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Post by PrincessPunk on Jan 17, 2017 10:47:51 GMT
i did that and it feels amazing i nearly did a bloody stoppie in town the other day! also did get a lillte front wheel lock but in my defence it was snowing and i'm pretty sure i went over a stone haha such an improvement |
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Post by bigfootisblurry on Feb 27, 2017 11:44:28 GMT
later R1 gold spots, FJR and FZ6 series 2 had gold, blue or silver, with ceramic pistons, depending on the bike colour Sorry to hijack the thread but is it possible to visually identify if the pistons were the later ceramic ones? I've got some blue spots on their way of unknown history so I don't know their age or original bike. |
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Post by HRHpenfold on Feb 27, 2017 16:33:30 GMT
later R1 gold spots, FJR and FZ6 series 2 had gold, blue or silver, with ceramic pistons, depending on the bike colour Sorry to hijack the thread but is it possible to visually identify if the pistons were the later ceramic ones? I've got some blue spots on their way of unknown history so I don't know their age or original bike. yes they look coated, they almost look plastic like. |
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Post by CD on Mar 12, 2017 15:30:48 GMT
I did a full on emergency stop shortly after fitting blue spots and master cylinder from a 2004 R6. I left a black stripe with the front tyre but stayed upright and the idiot girl who ran out was bumped over rather than flattened under 1/4 ton of bike plus rider falling onto her.
The next job was to be a blue spot front calliper on the back brake. The OEM back calliper corrodes badly. The blue spot would need a new carrier but it can't be an impossible job.
I doubt it would over brake the back end. Ultimate stopping power is dictated by the disc diameter more than anything else.
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back again to pester you all with more questions 
I take it the with they would work best with their own Master cylinder? Obviously if I can save myself a bit of work that would be nice but then again, the master cylinder I have is pretty rank anyway.
