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Post by rowlf on Mar 4, 2013 22:54:15 GMT
Yamaha XJ600S Diversion
The XJ600S was released in January 1992 and with minor modifications it was sold up to January 2004. Fitted with a four cylinder 598cc four stroke engine with a six speed gearbox and a "wet" clutch, all mounted in a double cradle steel frame with three spoke cast alloy wheels. A half fairing gives some weather protection and reduces drag to improve top speed and give better fuel economy. Top speed is about 115mph, average 50 - 60mpg. The mechanically identical unfaired XJ600N (naked) version was available between 1995 and 2004.
History 1992 to 2004
XJ600S Diversion (4BR) from January 1992 to December 1992
Single front and rear disc brakes.
Colours: Red or Green
XJ600S Diversion (4BR) from January 1993 to December 1993
Fitted with a redesigned fairing and screen.
Colours: Red or Violet
XJ600S Diversion (4BR) from January 1994 to December 1994
Minor cosmetic redesign with a different Diversion logo on the fairing.
Colours: Silver, Blue or Orange
XJ600S Diversion (4BR) from January 1995 to December 1995
Colours: Maroon, Silver or Green
XJ600S Diversion (4BRA) from January 1996 to December 1996
New carbs and an electric fuel pump. A redesigned front fairing and now, two piece side panels, also has a new headlight.
Colours: Red or Blue
XJ600S Diversion (4BRC) from January 1997 to December 1997
Fitted with fork leg protectors and hazard lights, also has a new seat.
Colours: Metallic Blue or Metallic Purple
XJ600S Diversion (4BRE) from January 1998 to November 1998
Now has 41mm front fork stanchions and twin front floating disc brakes
Colours: Blue or Red
XJ600S Diversion (4BRE) from December 1998 to January 2004
Colours: Green or Red
Specifications
Engine, Gearbox and Drive
Engine: Inline 4 cylinder 598cc (4 stroke)
DOHC 2 valves per cylinder
Rev limit: 9500
Compression: 10:1
Clutch: Wet multiple plate type
Gearbox: 6 Speed,
Chain final drive:
Power: 61 bhp at 8500 rpm
Torque: 54 nm 34 ft/lb at 7000 rpm
Performance (approx)
Top speed: 115mph
MPG: 50 - 60
0-60 mph time: 4.5 seconds
Quarter mile 12.5 seconds
Fuel and oil
Fuel tank capacity: 17 litres 4,5 gal
Octane rating: 91 RON or better.
Fuel system: 4 x Downdraft carburettors
Fuel type: Unleaded
Lubrication: Wet sump
Engine oil type 10w 40
Wheels, Tyres
Front wheel: 3 Spoke cast alloy wheel
Front tyre: Tubeless 110/80-17
Rear wheel: 3 Spoke cast alloy wheel
Rear tyre: Tubeless 130/70-18
Yamaha Recommended Tyre Pressures
Front tyre pressure (Cold tyres): 29psi (2.0 bar)
Rear tyre pressure (Cold tyres): 33psi (2.25 bar) loaded with up to 90kg
Rear tyre pressure (Cold tyres): 36psi (2.5 bar) loaded with over 90kg or high speed riding
Note. These are Yamaha recommendations, based on original equipment Michelin Macadam 50 or Dunlop D103 tyres,
Weights and measures
Length: 2,170mm
Wheelbase: 1,445 mm
Width: 770 mm
Height: 1205 mm
Ground clearance: 150 mm
Seat height: 770 mm
Turning radius: 2,700 mm
Weight: 213 kg (with oil and fuel)
Yamaha recommended lubricants
Engine 10w 40w Motorcycle Oil API SE, SF, SG or Equivalent.
Final Drive Chain SAE 30 motor oil
Brake Fluid Dot 4 Brake Fluid
Forks: SAE 10w Fork Oil
Swingarm : Molybedum Disulfide Grease
Steering Bearings: Lithium Grease
Sidestand/Centrestand: Engine Oil
Shock Absorber Pivot Points: Molybedum Disulfide Grease
Clutch/Choke Cable: Engine Oil
Brake and clutch lever pivot points: Engine Oil
Brake and shift Pedal Pivot Points: Engine Oil
Brake pad (reverse side) Caliper pistons: Silicone Grease
Brake Pad leading edges, retaining pins, caliper pad rubbing areas: Copper Grease
Wheel Bearings Lithium Grease
Throttle Grip (cable ends) Grease
********** more data to follow ****************
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Post by CD on Mar 5, 2013 16:53:44 GMT
TBH some plods also use the Honda Dullville.
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Post by teejayexc on Mar 5, 2013 17:04:41 GMT
Most tyre manufacturers now recommend, 36 front, 42 rear. But like it says check with them first. Always nice to play about a bit with pressures anyway  |
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Post by m40man on Mar 5, 2013 18:48:35 GMT
Note: Must be motorcycle oil (Mineral or Semi-Synthetic) The Diversion has a wet clutch so car or fully synthetic oil will almost certainly mean clutch slip. Wet clutch indeed, but direct user experience would suggest that using car oil will almost certainly not mean clutch slip. If, rarely, it occurs, buy a cheaper 10w40 grade brand with less additives. |
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Post by rowlf on Mar 5, 2013 19:15:37 GMT
Cheap car oil?
Dunno 'bout that. I like additives. Oil starts to break down after about 2000 miles or so (especially in a bike) and relies on the additives to keep lubricating. I know it is not a high revving sports bike but the Diversion is air cooled and the oil (especially mine without an oil cooler) gets very hot. Especially so in traffic in warm weather (OK I get your point). It must absolutely hammer the oil so I would rather put in a half decent semi synthetic oil like Motul 5000 although I might go for Castrol Power 1 (buy British) as it supposedly gives extra low engine wear rates. Synthetic oil works much better at high engine temperatures (like in an air cooled bike in a summer traffic jam!). Fully synthetic oil will make the clutch slip so a good "semi" seems ideal.
I doubt cheap mineral car oil is up to the job and don't want to take the chance. I have never skimped on oil or tyres.
Buy cheap, repent in poverty when it goes bang!
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Post by m40man on Mar 5, 2013 19:32:35 GMT
Cheaper car oil? Dunno 'bout that. I like additives. Oil starts to break down after about 2000 miles (especially in a bike) and relies on the additives to keep lubricating. I know it is not a high revving sports bike but the Diversion is air cooled and the oil (especially mine without an oil cooler) gets very hot. Especially so in traffic in warm weather (OK I get your point). It must absolutely hammer the oil so I would rather put in a half decent semi synthetic oil like Motul 5000 although I might go for Castrol Power 1 (buy British) as it supposedly gives extra low engine wear rates. Synthetic oil works much better at high engine temperatures (like in an air cooled bike in a summer traffic jam!). I doubt cheap mineral car oil is up to the job and don't want to take the chance. I have never skimped on oil or tyres. Buy cheap, repent in poverty! My obs were with regard to the statement about clutch slip. I wouldn't argue with anyone who prefers to use a particular oil for whatever reason, it's their choice. But using car oil does not tend towards a problem with clutch slip as much as the oil manufacturers would like us to believe. (I don't know anyone who has experienced it - but I guess there must be some out there to back-up the oil company's assertion.) |
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Post by bobh on Mar 5, 2013 20:26:01 GMT
Several people here, including myself, have used Halfords 10W40 semi-synthetic car oil in the D6 with no clutch problems, or indeed any other issues.
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Post by pilgrim on Mar 5, 2013 21:46:53 GMT
Buy cheap, repent in poverty when it goes bang! I admire your belief in spending on the best but I've always gone for cheap but more frequent oil changes. That is sufficient maintenance for me. |
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Post by pol on Mar 5, 2013 22:15:46 GMT
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Post by rowlf on Mar 5, 2013 22:19:49 GMT
Well pilgrim, I believe in buying quality plus I am too lazy to change the oil more often but I am also a cheap bastard. I quite like the tip from bobh about Halfords semi synthetic. Might investigate that one.
Anyone know the cost, offhand?
Regards
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Post by m40man on Mar 5, 2013 22:36:00 GMT
So for BT45's on a 600 Diversion, thats 36/40.61 Cool - I thought there must have been a reason behind my choice of 36/40  . |
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Post by m40man on Mar 5, 2013 22:46:50 GMT
.... I quite like the tip from bobh about Halfords semi synthetic. Might investigate that one. Anyone know the cost, offhand? Regards Their semi-synth car oil is usually £17, currently £10. Which seems very good value. I haven't used that myself. I have used their semi-synth bike oil on occasions, but that's pricier now than many others for some reason  . For my Fazer (& Pop's VStrom, but don't let on, I don't want it going to his head!) I use Millers ZSS 10w40 semi-synth motorcycle oil. But my D9 won't be getting that, it'll have to make do with something less, bless it. |
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Post by rowlf on Mar 5, 2013 22:50:59 GMT
Thanks pol
I could not find that bit on the Bridgestone website (losing my touch) when I looked all I could find was the follow bike manufacturers bit.
I have amended the original post. Hopefully someone can find something similar for Michelin etc
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Post by CD on Mar 6, 2013 9:58:43 GMT
When I had Martin's D9 it had a lot of semi synth diesel oil. The cams still had factory machine marks on the rubbing surfaces and the clutch only slipped when it was worn out.
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Post by rowlf on Mar 7, 2013 14:16:58 GMT
I have added manufacturers tyre pressure details as I have found them. I will add more as / if I can get them.
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Post by teejayexc on Mar 7, 2013 14:48:23 GMT
teejayexc Tyre pressures Actually, I am not happy about about 36/42 for the XJ600, that is a huge jump in pressures. According to all my research that is far to high! What tyres/pressures do you run on your XJ600 ? Are you still alive ? I wasn't so far off then? Still living to tell the tale too |
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Post by rowlf on Mar 7, 2013 14:52:20 GMT
Sure, whats 1.39 psi between friends  I think it is better higher than lower, especially in the wet. Glad you survived it You might want to put a bit more in the front though, say about 0.2 psi, low pressures can be dangerous I still think it a bit strange that Bridgestone raise the front pressure so much. 29 to 36 seems quite a jump but they obviously know what they are doing. The Battlax seems to be the best (or at least the favourite) choice for the Diversion. It has very good reviews by Diversion owners. |
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Post by pilgrim on Mar 7, 2013 21:48:28 GMT
"Battlax seem to be the best choice for the Diversion."- Rowlf Well it might have been. Unfortunately those who had Diversions and put BT45's on them didn't have the Michelin Pilot Activ choice (I see you're checking their recommended pressures Rowlf). It's a '90's tyre and looks it. It may well behave very well amongst those available up to the Pilot's launch. I've not had BT45's on my 600 and I won't say anything against them, other than they are quite expensive now. I do have Pilot Activs though and I'm chuffed with their performance in damp and cold conditions. They've worn very little over the past 8 months or so, 4K kms, and they beat the Bridgies into a cocked hat for price. They have very good (general) write-ups on a range of bikes. I doubt it will be able to rate them directly against Battlax unless someone tries them both. If I was thinking of changing tyres I'd look forward, not back...... I'd be interested in those pressures from Michelin. I think too much fuss is made over one or two psi.........five maybe. ;D It's good to see a new view on the ageing Divvy Rowlf. A lot on here are 'has-hads' and not really up to speed. (I'll get my coat for that remark....  )  |
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Post by rowlf on Mar 7, 2013 22:15:26 GMT
Hi pilgrim
Maybe I should have said "favourite" rather than "best".
I am thinking of either the Michelin Pilot Activ or the Avon Roadrider. I don't need to change my tyres for a while and would be very interested in your experience over the next few months, especially the wear rate.
rowlf
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Post by pilgrim on Mar 8, 2013 18:32:01 GMT
Hi pilgrim Maybe I should have said "favourite" rather than "best". I am thinking of either the Michelin Pilot Activ or the Avon Roadrider. I don't need to change my tyres for a while and would be very interested in your experience over the next few months, especially the wear rate. rowlf I'll keep in touch on that one. Here's a recent report I posted on another site in January: "Had a real test for my Michelin Pilot Activs last weekend. Mrs P and I rode off to meet a group of bikers the other side of Pontivy for a bimble down the Blavet. It was freezing overnight and very misty in the morning. The roads were very damp, probably icy in sheltered parts so took it very carefully. Major roads in and out of towns were OK if ridden with a bit of common sense. By mid morning (when my visor behaved properly) most frost had disappeared leaving that wet look on the roads when you can't be sure it's not black ice. On the tyre front we felt perfectly safe, no hint of give in the damp conditions or uneasy twitches or having to pick the bike up 'in case' as it was with my previous Dunlops. As river valleys go it wasn't tight testing bends following a burbling stream, more casual rolling bends aside the wide Blavet. In all we did 250 kilometres in the damp/unsure conditions, concreting my confidence even more in the tyres. From June last year I've now put almost 4000 kilometres into the Michelins and they still look like they've just been put on the bike but with the shine rubbed off! They'll certainly cover this year's riding and with another 4k on them they'll be at least equal to the Dunlops and I hope a whole lot more! They've a pretty pattern on them too........." A little taster Rowlf. |
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Post by rowlf on Mar 8, 2013 19:32:31 GMT
Pilgrim
I have heard lots of good things about the Michelin, whereas I have heard quite a few bad things about the Avons, art least on a Diversion, so I am certainly leaning towards fitting the Pilots. The "pretty pattern" is a real deal maker too;).
Still waiting for a reply from Michelin though, what pressures do you run them at?
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Post by pilgrim on Mar 8, 2013 20:33:11 GMT
Pilgrim I have heard lots of good things about the Michelin, whereas I have heard quite a few bad things about the Avons, art least on a Diversion, so I am certainly leaning towards fitting the Pilots. The "pretty pattern" is a real deal maker too;). Still waiting for a reply from Michelin though, what pressures do you run them at? I run the tyres just above Mr Haynes figures, 2.0/2.5 bars. (that's 29/36 in m40man units  ) I ride two up most of the time. I don't know Michelin recommendations but I'm dubious about being tyre pressures measured cold. My car shows 2.1 bar cold when it's frosty and 2.3 bar at 10°C, both before driving off in the morning.......therefore 'cold'.  ;D |
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Post by pol on Mar 8, 2013 22:41:19 GMT
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Grumbleweed
Boy Racer
Grumbleweed, 2009 model XJ6S, brought new in 2010.
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Post by Grumbleweed on Mar 9, 2013 9:29:22 GMT
I always used 36/42 psi on my old Divi. The new one (XJ6) has the same pressures though the tyres are a lot more contemporary than the thin bands of rubber on the original bike!
I never saw 117 mph - it was weeezing and gasping as it crawled passed 100 mph.
I never saw more than 50 mpg but the average was pretty close to that.
IMPO the most outstanding feature of the old Divi was its ability to turn the clutch needle roller bearing into a bunch of separate parts that would spread themselves around the clutch area.
Grum.
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Post by rowlf on Mar 9, 2013 10:56:46 GMT
Thanks for that pol
Interesting site and I had a good look but to be honest I don't trust their data. There are few errors on their listing, i.e. listing the same size front and rear (twice)
Front Fitting 130/70 - 18 M/C 63H PILOT ACTIV R TL/TT
Rear Fitting 130/70 - 18 M/C 63H PILOT ACTIV R TL/TT
and they say 29 front and 33 for the rear. Even Yamaha say 36 for the rear (loaded to be sure but this site doesn't even mention this) and every other manufacturers modern tyre is listing 33 front 41 rear or above for modern tyres. Pilgrim is running 29 / 36 (always best to run the bike manufacturers recommendations if not sure) and is very happy with that. Admittedly it is easy enough to figure out what they are trying to say but if they are not precise enough to make an error free site, how precise is their data?
BTW, on Michelins tyre safety sheet they say "The inflation pressure the must be strictly adhered to is that recommended by the vehicle manufacture" which is 29/36.
I e-mailed Michelin just in case they recommend anything else a bit more specific but as yet have no answer. Guess their customer service is a bit crap.
Rowlf
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Post by pol on Mar 9, 2013 15:26:02 GMT
yea, know what you mean, it's not the easiest site in the world to use! & i did think their pressure recomendations at 2.0/2.3 at bit low compared to all the others |
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Post by billywhizz on Mar 11, 2013 11:06:50 GMT
when i had my 600 i spoke with both bridgstone and michelin tyre techies....
They both said, inflate to TYRE manufacturers recommended pressures,
michelin pressures were always slightly higher, they had a softer tyre wall, so needed the extra pressures to keep the profile.
both recommended increases, especially the rear, for taking pillions.
i had bt45 and the michelein macadams, from new..and a pair of actives, (iirc) never had any problems with either. always ran at TYRE manufacturers pressures.
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Post by rowlf on Mar 11, 2013 14:08:51 GMT
billywizz
Hi
Bridgestone do state on their website 2.5 bar (36 psi) front 2.8 bar (40,6 psi) specifically for the BT45 on the XJ600 Diversion. Which is TYRE Manufacturers.
I have just spoken to Michelin and they recommend I "follow BIKE manufacturers" pressures of 29/33 (36 rear loaded or high speed).
I guess things have changed a bit as now the Bridgestone seems to need a lot more pressure than the Michelin.
I am going to fit Pilot Activ to my bike (mainly due to pol's recommendations) and will start at 29/36. Always best to follow the manufacturers but I might try 33/40 at some time and see what feels best. Higher pressures might contribute to the tyre squaring off a bit sooner?
Rowlf
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Post by pilgrim on Mar 11, 2013 18:37:45 GMT
billywizz Hi Bridgestone do state on their website 2.5 bar (36 psi) front 2.8 bar (40,6 psi) specifically for the BT45 on the XJ600 Diversion. Which is TYRE Manufacturers. I have just spoken to Michelin and they recommend I "follow BIKE manufacturers" pressures of 29/33 (36 rear loaded or high speed). I guess things have changed a bit as now the Bridgestone seems to need a lot more pressure than the Michelin. I am going to fit Pilot Activ to my bike (mainly due to pol's recommendations) and will start at 29/36. Always best to follow the manufacturers but I might try 33/40 at some time and see what feels best. Higher pressures might contribute to the tyre squaring off a bit sooner? Rowlf |
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Post by rowlf on Mar 11, 2013 19:35:03 GMT
BTW, mean to say due to the recommendation from pilgrim, not pol. Got confused  It's an age issue, sigh! |
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It's an age issue, sigh!