MrT
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Post by MrT on Apr 11, 2011 7:34:03 GMT
Good mornign all! My first post here. I was the proud recipient of a 1995 Diversion 600 last Thursday from a friend who's upgraded to an SM-T (lucky perisher) and gave! me his Diversion for having spannered (and no doubt for the forseable future too) on his bikes and cars over the years. Anyway, on of our ongoing plights has been getting the power we wanted from the front brake. We'd ended up wuith braided hose, rebuilt caliper and master cylinder and sintered pads, and it was respectable, and plenty for his city commuting. But I'm commuting 25 miles on dual cariageway with dopey morning drivers so wanted a bit more reserve. I have sucessfully fitted an R1 blue-spot caliper! Yes, the one that doesn't fit, and from my reseach nobody has yet fitted. Actually it was remarkably easy, and had I had all the machinery I'd liek to hand, would have taken no time at all. It's simple enough (provided nobody scolds my methods) of spacing the disc outwards 2mm (with thick washers, I know... ) and removing ( yes it gets worse...) the same 2mm from the mating face of the caliper mounting points. I would use a Mill to do this next time, but for experimentation I bought a heavily scuffed caliper from the breakers for little hard-earned to try it out. I carefully filed down the caliper mounts, trial fitting to get the position central to the disc spacing, and once it all lined up the only remaining task is to file off the annoying casting marks on the wheel's spokes to give clearance to the rear of the caliper. One other possibility due to manufacturing tolerances etc is to smoot down the inside face of the caliper (facing the spokes) to match the slight tapered angle of the spokes. NOTE: I removed minimal material because I didn't want the disc spaced too far, but if the job were being done properly I'd have a floating disc (no doubt wavey if goign to the trouble) made with teh carrier spacing the disc out another mm (clearance from the spokes) and properly machine the caliper. Finally, a set of sintered pads (the worn ones that came with the caliper, again shameful, but I'm experimenting remember... ) and a quick bleed (bubbles were out in 30s, I was amazed, that is a fantastic caliper!!!) and it was a test ride. Now the pads are bed down to the disc, I'm amazed at the stopping power! No need for twin discs, it's performing fantastically! And with the braided hose the stopping power is plenty! Anyoen with questions etc let me know, and maybe we can get a few more single disc bikes safely stopping PS: I'm sure the mod could be mirrored on the other side for twin setups, if anyone needs to out-brake an R6 or something daft... All the best, and stay sticky side down Tyler (MrT)
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2011 9:24:59 GMT
Did you change the master cylinder ? Sounds like an impressive bodge mod.
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Post by MrT on Apr 11, 2011 9:46:24 GMT
Nope, standard MC, although I think it is too much for the stock caliper? Not sure. Anyone know the size, is st bigger or smaller than NTV master cylinder? I know lots of people say that's a good upgrade for the single disc models.
Yes, it was not a standard fitment, but I would not classify it as a bodge, honestly, it was well planned and checked, and carried out as an experiment to see. I've only posted it as it is working, and better than I even expected!
I'll put some pictures up when I get chance to take them.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2011 10:21:09 GMT
Yes, it was not a standard fitment, but I would not classify it as a bodge, honestly, it was well planned and checked, and carried out as an experiment to see. I've only posted it as it is working, and better than I even expected!
I'll put some pictures up when I get chance to take them. Just being even handed so as not to give our resident bodgers a complex.
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Post by m40man on Apr 11, 2011 10:21:48 GMT
Sounds good to me . Mind you, I like to fettle & resurrect old bikes, get 'em road legal & running, enjoy them for a bit them look for the next one to play with. Apparently that makes me a bodger of the highest order. Bugram, I say . Get some pics up - bound to inspire one or two others .
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Post by MrT on Apr 11, 2011 10:32:00 GMT
By that definition I must be a world class bodger!
Actually, I have a Bodge-it job in teh shed currently. Yamazuki TDRZ anyone? I'm sure many will know of the Yamaha TDR250, a legend all on its own. I've owned one for 4 years having built it up as a project, last year I ran out of oil (criminal for a 2T owner, yes!) and lunched the rings... I was alreadty convinced the bike would soon kill me cause you can't commute or negotiate city traffic on it without endangering every object in your path (debatable maybe, but in my hands... Hey that's what it is made for!!!) so I decided a like-minded 4T engine with some bottom end civility would suite the chassis no end. I currently have a 400DRZ engine snuggled up inside a TDR250 frame awaiting final touches and titivations prior to its registration and release into the wild! I can't wait!
PS: It too has an R1 bluespot, these calipers are fantastic! Worth you guys with the singe discs to fit one/have it fitted. It really is a simple job! With a Milling machine it turns to a very quick and simple precision job too, just to be sure it wil be made for the bike then
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2011 10:32:06 GMT
Sounds good to me . Mind you, I like to fettle & resurrect old bikes, get 'em road legal & running, enjoy them for a bit them look for the next one to play with. Apparently that makes me a bodger of the highest order. Bugram, I say . Get some pics up - bound to inspire one or two others . Everything sounds good to you when you're looking to Part ex for one of your buckets bikes.
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Post by amorti on Apr 11, 2011 11:19:36 GMT
By that definition I must be a world class bodger!
Actually, I have a Bodge-it job in teh shed currently. Yamazuki TDRZ anyone? I'm sure many will know of the Yamaha TDR250, a legend all on its own. I've owned one for 4 years having built it up as a project, last year I ran out of oil (criminal for a 2T owner, yes!) and lunched the rings... I was alreadty convinced the bike would soon kill me cause you can't commute or negotiate city traffic on it without endangering every object in your path (debatable maybe, but in my hands... Hey that's what it is made for!!!) so I decided a like-minded 4T engine with some bottom end civility would suite the chassis no end. I currently have a 400DRZ engine snuggled up inside a TDR250 frame awaiting final touches and titivations prior to its registration and release into the wild! I can't wait!
PS: It too has an R1 bluespot, these calipers are fantastic! Worth you guys with the singe discs to fit one/have it fitted. It really is a simple job! With a Milling machine it turns to a very quick and simple precision job too, just to be sure it wil be made for the bike then Best to ignore Bev, he gets a bit irritating at times if you are doing anything other than fitting OE parts. Good job! I looked at this option myself but decided it would be too much trouble. Reasoning was that all 6 bolts in the rear disc snapped when I swapped the rear wheel* out and I didn't fancy that on the front. Lame excuse, eh? If the bluespot has 27/30 pistons you would be better off with the 1/2" master cylinder. That would give more control and require less squeeze at the lever to generate the same force at the caliper. Trade-off is the lever gets "squishier", which if the lever is rock-hard can actually be a bonus. The NTV master cylinder with straight lever is a direct fit. The VFR800 / Blackbird master is better designed again, with a ball pivot at the piston end. If the bluespot has 30/34 or 32/34, then you would ideally want something between 1/2" and 14mm. There is a 13mm master cylinder from Brembo which I used with a single Brembo caliper (those have 30/34 pistons) and it worked well. It was the whole front brake off a Cagiva Planet 125. The old single disc 600 monster master cylinder will be the same or if you can cope with a separate fluid reservoir the Mito 125 Evo uses one single brembo caliper, too. Not certain if this master cylinder will clear your switch cluster, I had trouble on my CB-1 and had to "bodge" a bit to ensure clearance. * 1990-1ish fzr600 wheel is 18x4" [careful as 1988-9ish fzr600 is 18x3.5" so the same as you have] and a straight fit. It gives you a 150/18" rear tyre instead of 130/18".
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Post by MrT on Apr 11, 2011 11:46:51 GMT
Hi Amorti Thanks for the info. Do you know what size the Divvy MC is please? for my comparison... Tinterweb says the R1 bluespot has 2 off 27mm and 2 off 30mm pistons. I'm not sure the calcs but what MC size would you recommend?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2011 11:57:36 GMT
You're wrong again Amorti, I'm just irritating, it has nothing to do with OEM. MrT has considered the dimensional implications of his mod and taken care to do the job that you, by your own admission, considered too much hassle. He has taken account of the surface tension forces required in mounting his disk and considered the best way to engineer the project having done the prototype. There's a difference between a mod and a bodge.
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Post by amorti on Apr 11, 2011 12:33:21 GMT
MrT has considered the dimensional implications of his mod and taken care to do the job that you, by your own admission, considered too much hassle. He has taken account of the surface tension forces required in mounting his disk and considered the best way to engineer the project having done the prototype. Did he? I thought he just used a file to take material off the caliper and washers to space the disc accordingly. From what I read, he's not actually going to engineer a "final version", he is using the prototype.
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Post by amorti on Apr 11, 2011 12:36:50 GMT
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Post by MrT on Apr 11, 2011 12:37:37 GMT
Sorry, had the discussion with Bev in PMs. Actually bought a gauged and banged up caliper to try it with. I'd like a bit more spacing and want to ensure absolutely that the spacing is right so will get round to fitting a good caliper (cosmetically...) and properly machine it. Ideally a custom floating disc would be good to have also, but I haven't got the green to fund such extravigant mods so I'll stick with spacing the standard disc for now.
Anybody know of anywhere one can specify a custom disc and carrier and have it made? If people are interested we could get a group buy and have a fleet of R1 braked Divvies out terrorising sportsbikes with their new-found stopping power ;D
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Post by teejayexc on Apr 11, 2011 13:14:55 GMT
Sorry, had the discussion with Bev in PMs.
Blimey, something other than sectarianism and football violence in Bev's inbox!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2011 13:17:26 GMT
Sorry, had the discussion with Bev in PMs.
Blimey, something other than sectarianism and football violence in Bev's inbox! I could dig out some on cornering if you want to read them.
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