Post by anon on Feb 17, 2007 20:11:53 GMT
From: m40man Sent: 5/23/2006
Hi, my Technical Dudes & Dudette Chums,
I'm just completing the installation of my Intaride gummins & I've got to the final connection - POWER!
I don't want it drawing power all the time, so I've been looking for a wire which is only live with the ignition on. This is more tricky than I expected. This is because the wiring for my Datatool System3 alarm appears to be everywhere under the seat, all covered black. Finding a LIVE is like looking for a black wire amongst a load of black wires .
Anyone else sorted this? I've looked at the rear bulbs - difficult access & would require quite a bit of extra cabling cutting in, in order to reach without a fair bit of dissasembly (not recommended - or said alarm will need shifting, then the fun would really start!!)
So any ideas please? This is on my Fazer 1000, BTW!
Help .
Martin.
From: Fiasco Sent: 5/23/2006
Hi Martin
What about the circuit for your heated gloves, is that relay switched ? Could you run a connection to that circuit ?
JAT
Dave :-)
From: m40man Sent: 5/23/2006
Dave - I only have heated grips on this bike.
However - your idea sounds sensible . (Not sure why I didn't work that out, really!)
Rain has just stopped play (again - at least the fifth time today!!) but I'll start unwrapping the wiring to that relay if it gets brighter again - everything is black-taped-up under this seat . (Petrol tank is currently in a Waitrose trolley, nuts & bolts lying about the place .)
Quick - call DD-FJR ............... Martin's about to mess with a relay. We have 'tales untold' of my previous ventures into Relay-World .
From: m40man Sent: 5/23/2006
OK, next question: Have you used the A80 radio's 'fake battery' to connect to bike power, or do you use the radio battery? How long do you get out of the radio battery? If bike-powered, does it need a relay & if so, how many appliances can I plumb-in using the one relay??
Finally - given the location of the volume setter on the Intaride, what level have you selected? (It seems fiddly to do 'on the hoof', so if you tell me it should be set to maximum, I'll go with that. (I WAS expecting a volume knob, rather than something akin to a hidden reset button on a Tamagotchi ).
Ta .
Martin.
From: ianboydsnr Sent: 5/23/2006
the bike power, is not the battery, it should slide onto the back of the radio and have a short lead, with a socket on the end, its not strictly neccissary to use the relay, but the relay will ussually be a 20 or 30 amp relay, of which heated grips will be 4 or 5 amps, the radio, will draw less than an amp, on mine(30 amp) i have connected, my grips, heated jacket, intaride/radio, oiler, with lots of spare capacity, as for volume, i run mine at 100% but its fairly loud at low speeds and with earplugs in, would set it at 75% and work from that
From: m40man Sent: 5/23/2006
"the bike power, is not the battery"
Yep - got that Ian. Mine calls itself a 'fake battery' so that's what I referred to it as. Just got back in, after having another fiddle. (IE - the rain has stopped ). Decided in the end that since the radio has an on/off button,unlike the Intaride, I'd just bung it straight on the battery. (Yes - I know I could do the same with the Intaride, but it has no 'off' button & plugs/sockets don't live long if continually used as 'switches' so that needs to be relayed via the ignition. I was surprised the instructions advised unplugging to conserve bike battery - ( like pulling the plug out to turn off your TV - which, incidentaly, is what we have to do since the telly's on/off button bust!) I think the Intaride should have an on/off switch really!)
Now just need to remember how to wire the Intaride through the relay, then get the headsets fitted. Looks like Colin will be my tester on Thursday so I hope it all works!
Oh, & Chris is looking forward to music - apparently not satisfied with the sound of my voice !
From: ianboydsnr Sent: 5/23/2006
as far as i was aware, if no headset was connected, it was off and only restarted once you plugged in the headset, but mine is wired through the relay.
From: FazerM40Man1 Sent: 5/23/2006
"if no headset was connected, it was off"
............ That's how the Starcom system works. But the RP1instructions warn you about battery drain. 16 to 18 milliamps when not in use (not a great deal) so they advise you to disconnect it if the bike is not ridden for a week[1]. Safer to link it to ignition, so you don't forget, and it saves having to take the seat off & wear out that power socket needlessly.
[1] Too often the case for me, when I'm working on customer sites. Like the past week or so . Also, my battery ain't great anyway .
From: ianboydsnr Sent: 5/23/2006
if i remember correctly, you should connect the power lead to terminal 87, you would probably get away with pulling the crimp terminal off and bareing the wire, then sliping the crimp terminal back on, trapping the bare lead between the terminal and the crimped terminal, as a temporary fit, if you don't have the terminals available, or you could just reterminate with a new crimp terminal, pushing the two in the back of the crimp, if you have them
From: DD-FJR Sent: 5/23/2006
Hi Martin
Your right mate.
The Interide system is "LIVE" as long as it is connected to the bikes wiring. There is no On-Off with it, hence the problem I was having as I had it through a relay connected to the back light.
I had to re-set everything when I turned the lights back on
The Starcom turns off when you remove the Riders Headset Cable, NO power drain and NO setting up when you come back to use it again
Looks like Colin will be my tester on Thursday so I hope it all works!
That sounds like fun
From: FazerM40Man1 Sent: 5/23/2006
"I had to re-set everything when I turned the lights back on "
... do you mean you have to reset the volume if you unplug it ??
From: ianboydsnr Sent: 5/23/2006
no, the volume should stay as set
From: Fiasco Sent: 5/23/2006
My RP1 is live whenever I turn the ignition on and I never have to reset anything. Once the volume is set it is set, you can adjust the sensitivity of the Vox by speaking into it at the level you want it to kick in, when you turn the ignition on.
I have a spare fuse box on my bike controlled by a relay, which runs my RP1, A80 and heated grips.
Martin - did you sort an external aerial in the end ?
Regards
Dave
Incidenitly Intaride are currently offering people that are interested in the new wireless system they are developing, an RP1 unit with 100% refund value against the new system when it is available - now that's commitment.
From: FazerM40Man1 Sent: 5/23/2006
"Martin - did you sort an external aerial in the end ?"
Erm - well, I fitted MINE on the bike . Each to his own, though .
I emailed Intaride about the trade-in, as I ordered my RP1 a few days before the trade-in offer. No reply . I had already expressed an interest in their new wireless system, & even rang to check it's release date - bought the RP1 because they told me it had been delayed & wouldn't be ready until mid summer. I could have rang them again to ask about my eligibility - but I wanted something in writing.
From: DD-FJR Sent: 5/23/2006
Incidenitly Intaride are currently offering people that are interested in the new wireless system they are developing, an RP1 unit with 100% refund value against the new system when it is available - now that's commitment
Dave
Are you 100% sure your NOT on commision
From: Fiasco Sent: 5/23/2006
Nah not me Colin
They have been very good to me over the last couple of years and happy to return the favour. How many other companies would replace a cooked and out of warranty unit with a brand new one ?
Plus they are really nice Guys (Emily especially likes Dave after he encouarged her to take a handfull of sweets at the BMF show !!)
Regards
Dave
From: billywhizz600s Sent: 5/23/2006
Martin,
my A80 is powered off the rear light lead, so the radio is only on when lights are on, so makes me ride with lights on, or be deaf, what!!!
and off when ignition off..
just make sure its the rear light not brake light!!
rog
From: FazerM40Man1 Sent: 5/23/2006
" Martin, my A80 is powered off the rear light lead"
Great idea Roger, & that was my plan as I always ride with lights on - but with the wires all gathered up & shrouded for the Datatool alarm installation, I can't readily pick out the rear light one without some digging .
From: ianboydsnr Sent: 5/23/2006
I allways ride with the lights on
so do I, I don't have any choice as there is no light switch, spent a while looking for it, when i bought, but they just seem to come on when i start
From: billywhizz600s Sent: 5/23/2006
martin, start at the light socket in the tail, and trace back under seat, then spliced in the lead to radio ,,
teaching grandad to suck eggs!!!
rog
From: TSJ Sent: 5/24/2006
Martin
I wired my RP1 through the rear sidelight feed, but you have to take the tail piece off to find it! This is real pain when you've got the luggage rack fitted, because that has to come off first. It's handy though, because it reminds me to switch the lights on.
One thing to remember is to plug the A80 in before you power the circuit, or it will blow the fuse. I have just fitted the aerial extension myself, but have not had chance to try it out yet. I received transmissions from Reaper OK with the A80 under the seat without the extension aerial.
I've unplugged the aerial from the socket and put it under the seat with the radio (in case of light-fingered passers-by), so if I need the radio on I plug it in, put the aerial in place, and that's it.
I have the RP1, SatNav, heated grips and A80 all through one relay. No problems so far (apart from a loose connection at Postcombe).
Trevor
From: Fiasco Sent: 5/24/2006
Hi Trev
Do you not find it a PITA having sat nav on a relay ?
I would find it a pain having to switch it on and wait for it to find sateltes etc every time you switch the engine off. Does your GPS continue with the same route when powered back on ?
My GPS is straight to the battery, I don't worry about it being left on as I wouldn't leave it on the bike when I am not there anyway.
Good point re the aerial, I have a bad habit of leaving mine in place, and one day it's gonna go walkies !!
Regards
Dave :-)
From: FazerM40Man1 Sent: 5/24/2006
OK - Progreee Report: ('Cos it's hissing it down, again .)
Decided to test system by connecting power (direct to battery.)
A80 is bike powered, already.
So why / how does the Intaride power-up just by connecting the LIVE to the battery? Is it supposed to only need the positive connecting? What's the other wire for then? (It dies if I unplug the A80 power.) It MUST be completing the power circuit via the A80???
It's tricky testing on your own so please bear (bare?) with me, - how do I stop the intercom from switching off (and not coming back on via VOX, after a few seconds of power connection? (Although it shouldn't matter for the intercom part, I have tried with different VOX settings on the A80.) That is, I connect my headset & get a quiet hum & the mike is open. I'm holding the other connected headset in my hands, & it's mike is open. A few seconds later, just the gentle hum remains & talking into the mike (at varying levels) does not open the mike again. I've read the instructions - can't see where I'm going wrong??
BTW Dave - My GPS remembers the last route it was running before it was switched off. Though I haven't run it's power through a relay.
Martin.
From: TJ63◘ Sent: 5/24/2006
I would find it a pain having to switch it on and wait for it to find sateltes etc every time you switch the engine off. Does your GPS continue with the same route when powered back on ?
When I switch the engine off, the Quest starts a 30-second countdown to switch off. If you press a key, it keeps going on battery. I do this if I've just stopped for petrol. And yes, it does resume the route where you left off. Clever, innit?
Martin
Connect the earth to the RP1 but NOT the A80. This seems to work OK. The A80 and the intercom will work on vox after power-up, unless/until you press the PTT button. This tells the RP1 that there is a radio fitted, then after that, intercom is on vox, A80 is on PTT.
If you need any more help, give me a bell.
Trevor
From: FazerM40Man1 Sent: 5/24/2006
"If you need any more help, give me a bell."
Tried you on the Hotline, Trev. Maybe you realised it was me calling .
Nearly, almost, possibly the last question:
Plumbed my laptop in, so I could play some music. It works lovely. But when I speak, to mute the music, I really have to yell. Then if I continue talking to myself, the VOX doesn't realise & it fades the music back in.
So how do I train it / reset it to accept a lesser yell? I tried powering it down & setting the VOX per the notes. I've got the volume (the pin-set button) on highest I think but I assume this is truly volume, & not associated with the VOX cut-in level?
I would hate to think that Chris would have to yell at me, just to make me take notice .
From: DD-FJR Sent: 5/24/2006
(Emily especially likes Dave after he encouarged her to take a handfull of sweets at the BMF show !!)
See I knew there was a back hander going on
Colin
From: Fiasco Sent: 5/24/2006
Martin
The vox level should be set when you first make a noise on powering it up. Maybe worth a shout to Intaride for some techy advice (why not pop in there on the way to Scotland ?)
Secondly - how do you get your seat back on with the laptop plugged in ? Can't you use an MP3 player like everyone else ?
Good luck
Dave
From: FazerM40Man1 Sent: 5/24/2006
Dave - Should I talk before hitting the PTT (which the info' sheet sez tells the RP1 that a PPT button is gonna be used for radio), or do I hit the PTT then speak to set the RP1 VOX ??
"how do you get your seat back on with the laptop plugged in "
........... I thought you'd ask where I stuck the mouse .
From: Fiasco Sent: 5/24/2006
Martin
Vox first, pushing the PTT just tells the radio it is not working on Vox.
Why not unplug the radio and PTT for the minute until you get the Vox sorted. Also try it without the music plugged in.
HTH
Dave
