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Post by craigfell on Apr 26, 2017 16:49:23 GMT
Lol I wouldn't break it, I'd just leave it until I had the time to do it again.
I've been adding things up it's probably gonna cost me around 3/400 quid.
But because it cost me nothing it's worth it, to me Anyways!
Anyway, I'm off in the garage with my new bits 😀
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Post by craigfell on Apr 27, 2017 5:54:39 GMT
So..Nothing moves, Been doing some research & people have said soak in fuel, but i think that's more for blockages. Any advice? Other than buying the £80 ones on eBay.
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Post by spike240 on Apr 27, 2017 6:57:07 GMT
I've had good results with plusgas - BUT it will take time to work its magic - a lot of time. Where's Penfold when you need him? Btw have you had any luck with the electrics yet Craig?
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Post by craigfell on Apr 27, 2017 7:33:58 GMT
Nope! Waiting to get my hands on a tester from my brother, but between my shifts its a pain in the arse to grab.
Keep trying with the wiring, removing contacts, got some anti static de-greaser to clean them.
The only thing that comes on when the battery is connected is the clock, lights/indicators/starter don't work.
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Post by m40man on Apr 27, 2017 9:45:52 GMT
Nothing moves, Been doing some research & people have said soak in fuel, but i think that's more for blockages. Any advice? Other than buying the £80 ones on eBay. The problem with any off Ebay is that you don't really know what you're buying - so it's in this case an £80 gamble. Less of a gamble, but a much greater investment, is having your carbs properly overhauled. Eg: jrs.uk.com/jrs/Motorcycle_carbs_-_modern_machines.htmlThere are cheaper alledged 'refurbs' available but I don't think they amount to much more than an ultrasonic clean. Or have a go yourself - nothing to lose but time. Start with the choke linkage, get that freed-up, then clean the jets. (Removing the float chambers may reveal less detritus than you'd imagined. Or more! But it costs nothing to check.) EDIT: Don't be tempted to split the carbs unless you really need to. Reassembly I've found is a whole extra world of work!
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Post by craigfell on Apr 27, 2017 10:29:13 GMT
Thanks for the but 4 Cyl Inline: £340: Think i'll have a bash myself, might know someone with an ultrasonic cleaner.
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Post by m40man on Apr 27, 2017 10:36:49 GMT
Think i'll have a bash myself, might know someone with an ultrasonic cleaner. I thought that price tag might stir the inner carb-refurber in you .
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Post by craigfell on Apr 28, 2017 6:05:12 GMT
Ta DaaaBefore i start this, please make sure im not an idiot. I know the plugs only really go into a certain one.. But like i say, make sure im not an idiot! I know the open plugs are, to the carb (heaters i presume?) Fuel tank sender, rear brake light & indicators, rear brake light switch. (Thick blue wire is to my garage light)
Gave the carbs a blast with some carb cleaner last night too just to get some of the S**T off, camera had died though. Start nights at work this week so i'll be bringing them with me just in case things are a little bit slow.
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Post by craigfell on Apr 28, 2017 7:38:29 GMT
Also, payday yesterday bought some stuff, be nice to keep a total track of spends.
£10 Diesel for my mates van. Plusgas 400ml (£5.77) Brake Cleaner/Degreaser 6x600ml £13.29 Wire Brush for the drill x2 £3.26 Wire Brush £2.68 Junior hacksaw £1.44
£36.44 so far
Also bought a digital vernier caliper but its probably Chinese because it was only £4. Not holding my breath on that one, god knows if it will turn up & work!
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Post by craigfell on Apr 29, 2017 21:13:08 GMT
Got these apart, was a lot easier than anticipated!
Found the wiring fault
Literally crumbled to pieces when i tried to test it
Temporary fix, don't know whether to buy connector blocks or leave it like that.
Rev counter is doing this, not sure if it's because something is un plugged just thought i'd throw it out there.
Also don't have a spark, gonna investigate that another time, on nights for a week so trying to free up the carbs.
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Post by craigfell on Apr 30, 2017 0:15:06 GMT
Carbs: 3 or 4 stuck bolts on the top (Where Diaphragm sits(Watched a lot of Youtube) started chewing them up, however all 16 float bowl bolts came out no problems. But every one of the drain bolts on the float bowls is solid. 1 Of the choke slides is solid, rest are free ish. No point in pictures really. All looks the same. Something i forgot, the white clip where the choke cable sits has broken, not sure if its salvageable. I dropped the f***ers when i was putting them on the work bench & they bounced off the vice.
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Post by spike240 on May 1, 2017 8:09:03 GMT
Hi Craig. Glad to see you still at it. If it was me, I would just peel back the wires and solder some new bits in for now - until you know stuff works. The rev counter antics are used as a diagnostic tool on the D9 - I think. Can't tell you any more than that. Good luck
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Post by bev on May 1, 2017 11:10:12 GMT
If it goes to 10,000 rpm for 3secs it's a faulty TPS if it goes to 9000 rpm for 3 secs it's the ignition system at fault.
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Post by m40man on May 1, 2017 13:28:59 GMT
If it goes to 10,000 rpm for 3secs it's a faulty TPS ..... or wiring! Which on this bike current-ly (see what I did there?) would be no surprise.
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Post by bev on May 1, 2017 14:02:49 GMT
If it goes to 10,000 rpm for 3secs it's a faulty TPS ..... or wiring! Which on this bike current-ly (see what I did there?) would be no surprise. Any fault indication can be down to the wiring Sherlock. Does the manual say 10,000rpm is a wiring fault ?
That's a great get out, your TPS might be faulty or it might be something else.
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Post by m40man on May 1, 2017 15:35:12 GMT
That's a great get out, your TPS might be faulty or it might be something else. Put it this way - I bet you'd check the TPS in the manners I linked to, before reaching into your deep pockets [1] to shell out for a replacement TPS . [1] Yes - my pockets are deep too! EDIT: Manual (Haynes) says "if the tachometer reads 0 rpm or 10,000 rpm the angle of the sensor is either too narrow or too wide. Adjust it as required ..." Yamaha owner's manual says run off to Mr Yamaha immediately .
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Post by craigfell on May 1, 2017 20:01:52 GMT
Haha Thanks for the advice, TPS is not connected, but its nice that you care.
Got an update on the carbs, need to take photos & shizz though cause i have buggered them.
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Post by hughmcq on May 1, 2017 20:09:01 GMT
Also, payday yesterday bought some stuff, be nice to keep a total track of spends. £10 Diesel for my mates van. Plusgas 400ml (£5.77) Brake Cleaner/Degreaser 6x600ml £13.29 Wire Brush for the drill x2 £3.26 Wire Brush £2.68 Junior hacksaw £1.44 £36.44 so far Also bought a digital vernier caliper but its probably Chinese because it was only £4. Not holding my breath on that one, god knows if it will turn up & work! Worth keeping an eye out on Lidl/Aldi if you need more tools - some of their stuff is semi-decent. If you are looking at releasing fluid - try a 50/50 mix of automatic transmission fluid and acetone (nail varnish remover) - supposed to work the best forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=20131.0 Amazing how 2 little words "undo bolt" in the Halfords manual causes hours of frustration.
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Post by m40man on May 1, 2017 20:26:00 GMT
...TPS is not connected ... Are you sure, Bev reckons it's faulty .
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Post by craigfell on May 1, 2017 21:46:09 GMT
Haha it probably is, because everything else is! Aldi & lidl is a good call on the tools, i'll have a look next time i'm off. The plusgas has worked wonders so far, its even got the butterfly's moving (just). However im contemplating just making a bucket of the ATF & Acetone just to throw the carbs in. (If they are not ruined) So thank you for that Hughmcq.
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Post by craigfell on May 1, 2017 21:53:16 GMT
My view right now.. At least I've learned something about taking carbs to bits to clean, its not that hard so long as you don't just throw it all in a pile.
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Post by craigfell on May 1, 2017 22:06:21 GMT
So, Here goes. This is the choke cable holder i broke, like i said unsure if it's salvageable. Also, you may or may not know that this is what the choke slide pulls in and out. Im not sure how it works as far as im concerned its magic. But One of mine, the little ball on the end that the leaver/puller what ever it is you call it, has broken. I was trying to tease the plunger out with some needle nose pliers but it just would not move & eventually it popped off. Drain plug bolt stuck in the float bowl which was turning fine then snap, & a bolt that snapped on the top The other bolts/screws that were stuck the plusgas & some mole grips got them. So the question, are these carbs done for?!
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Post by bev on May 2, 2017 6:34:59 GMT
...TPS is not connected ... Are you sure, Bev reckons it's faulty . Doesn't get more faulty than missing altogether.
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Post by craigfell on May 4, 2017 22:59:36 GMT
Removed all this Took some photo's of the stand. Removed the shock linkage & lubed it all up a little. Got rid of some of the cobwebs Also removed the left pillion foot peg that was stuck thanks to the previous owner rounding off a bolt. In regards to the carbs, i think i'm gonna go with what hughmcq said. Going to get some ATF & acetone & chuck them in a bucket for a day. At this moment in time i'm looking for another set but i can't afford them at the mo!
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Post by craigfell on May 4, 2017 23:54:02 GMT
Just noticed the exhaust's are on the piss, is that usual? lol
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Post by hughmcq on May 6, 2017 19:22:27 GMT
You might find Evaporust useful - never used it myself but looks impressive and you can get it in the UK
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Post by spike240 on May 8, 2017 6:35:56 GMT
Hi Craig. All that pipewprk you removed is a system to keep the emissions down. It doesn't have to go back on as long as you blank all the pipes off on reassembly. The exhaust collector is standard - least of your worries mate. I'm sure you won't take offence - but can't help feeling that stuff in the video, used on your bike would be like flogging a dead horse. OK mate atb.
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Post by Greendivvy Beeb on May 8, 2017 20:11:02 GMT
Noticed that the inlet manifolds rubbers have broken off. Theses cost about £80 each to replace so you may want to try and make some connecting hoses to reconnect your carbs back up.
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Post by craigfell on May 8, 2017 21:04:03 GMT
You might find Evaporust useful - never used it myself but looks impressive and you can get it in the UK Looked into that, i did some more searching about the ATF & Acetone and it wont work for what i need it for. Yeah i read a thread on here about removing the emissions stuff, it'll be a long while until i get to putting it back together though so i've blocked the holes on the top of the motor & will find a more permanent solution. Yeah the carb rubbers were a bit of a pain, the screws were just crumbling on the clamps that were there so i just pulled, never even looked at the rubbers after. No progress, had a day off yesterday & went out on the good bike around North Yorkshire, Kirby Lonsdale to that infamous bridge to be exact! The bolt that holds the other emission thing is solid so i'm going to persuade that out next chance. Enjoy!
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Post by craigfell on May 8, 2017 21:06:27 GMT
One other thing, has anyone ever fit any other carbs to a divvy 9? I know most are different spacing but i thought i would ask!
Google returned no answers so i'm guessing a solid NO
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