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Post by kawasakiinit on Feb 22, 2010 20:36:19 GMT
check for play first. bike on stand, thumb on top or bottom of head stock where bearing is, get mate to rock front end back and fore. you will detect any movement quickly. if there is significant movement, you can tighten the bearings but only as long as the front wheel falls left or right on its own weight. to adjust the bearings, see haynes manual. if you aint got one, someone can run you through the process via this thread. cheers fella . i've held the front of bike up with my shoulder (on center stand) while i pull and push the front wheel i cant see any movement at the head stock at all but will try what you said . also as i mentioned earlier on this thread when i did my forks one leg had the shim in it but the other didnt ,but the manual states 96 on models had the shims .mine is 95 ?? if there was a shim missing from one of the fork legs could this be the noise ? the noise never happens when i hold the front brake on and rock the bike to try and get full extension of the fork legs while i'm stood next to it if you know what i mean ...
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Post by biblebasher on Feb 22, 2010 20:49:09 GMT
dont know about shims. you wont see any movement by rocking, only by feeling it. after reading all this stuff i'm going to try and find out where the noise on my bike is coming from!
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Post by kawasakiinit on Feb 22, 2010 21:07:45 GMT
dont blame ya mate its drivin me mad lol
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Post by kawasakiinit on Mar 2, 2010 18:01:07 GMT
OK today i took off the fairing and took the forks out and had a look at the head bearings and re greased them they where in top condition so i replaced everything torqued up everything correctly and gues what ? the bloomin noise is still there same as ever.. i am now convinced it is something inside the fork legs or leg . apart from the spring and oil what else is there in the forks ? i am told there are valves and bushes? what do they do? .could they be worn and if so how do i get some replacements ? EDIT...just noticed from this www.oemparts.eu/oem5.asp?M=Yamaha&T=XJ%20S%20DIVERSION%20%20900&Y=1995&L=YA-XJ-S-DIVERSION-900-1&O=FRONT%20FORK&F=YA-XJ-S-DIVERSION-900-1_bh&L2=YA-XJ-S-DIVERSION-900-1_bh that the item 14,31 (top spring washer) is actually on top of my spacers(15,32) and not as in pic under them . could this be the problem do you think? thanks in advance for your help i need this noise to go away now its turned into a mission ;-(.
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Post by diversiondave on Mar 3, 2010 13:49:48 GMT
To adjust the fork headrace bearings pressure put on centrestand, loosen the yolks pinchbolts then the top/centre yolk nut. there are 2 'nuts' on the steering stem beneath the top yolk with indentations to take a c-spanner. Take a large pref not sharp flat screwdriver or similar (to avoid chopping into the metal)and tap them round to increase the pressure on the headrace bearings making sure u do it in a way they move together. They should also have a tab washer over them with a wing which fits into/down into the slots. If u don't tap them round together u will damage this washer. Also be careful u do not damage the silver 'hat'/seal below the nuts. I smashed the top of mine in by not paying attention then had to take it ALL off and gently knock the damage out from the inside. Only a Minute Amount of adjustment is recommended if ur mot friend cannot detect any movement. Easy to over adjust and damage the headraces. The fork bushes are 1- Bottom - a dark grey broad ring (looks like it was bronze then coated with something) recessed into/near the bottom of ur fork slider ie into the chrome leg. 2- Top-another ring but narrower in side view which is just below ur fork seal. It slides off the stanchion easily when u pull it out by knocking the seal out. ie not recessed or attached in any way. It looks like it is just a plain bronze one. A sharp click is prob something like a cable/loose this or that tapping as said b4. Oddly enough a v v small perforation in the exhaust Does produce not a howl or grumble but a metallic ticking sound. I have known 2 ppl who had it and had it myself. So it could well be relationships in ur exhaust joints or where it is bolted into the top of ur motor changing as u go over a bump. Basically, it could be bloody anything !!!!
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Post by furryboy on Mar 3, 2010 20:47:35 GMT
Hi all Had same clicking from front spent ages trying to find it, removed calipers, pads and finally worked out it was speedo drive, bit of grease now cant hear no clicking but I do get bad vibrations around 3k revs. But I think they all do that
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Post by kawasakiinit on Mar 3, 2010 21:40:32 GMT
To adjust the fork headrace bearings pressure put on centrestand, loosen the yolks pinchbolts then the top/centre yolk nut. there are 2 'nuts' on the steering stem beneath the top yolk with indentations to take a c-spanner. Take a large pref not sharp flat screwdriver or similar (to avoid chopping into the metal)and tap them round to increase the pressure on the headrace bearings making sure u do it in a way they move together. They should also have a tab washer over them with a wing which fits into/down into the slots. If u don't tap them round together u will damage this washer. Also be careful u do not damage the silver 'hat'/seal below the nuts. I smashed the top of mine in by not paying attention then had to take it ALL off and gently knock the damage out from the inside. Only a Minute Amount of adjustment is recommended if ur mot friend cannot detect any movement. Easy to over adjust and damage the headraces. The fork bushes are 1- Bottom - a dark grey broad ring (looks like it was bronze then coated with something) recessed into/near the bottom of ur fork slider ie into the chrome leg. 2- Top-another ring but narrower in side view which is just below ur fork seal. It slides off the stanchion easily when u pull it out by knocking the seal out. ie not recessed or attached in any way. It looks like it is just a plain bronze one. A sharp click is prob something like a cable/loose this or that tapping as said b4. Oddly enough a v v small perforation in the exhaust Does produce not a howl or grumble but a metallic ticking sound. I have known 2 ppl who had it and had it myself. So it could well be relationships in ur exhaust joints or where it is bolted into the top of ur motor changing as u go over a bump. Basically, it could be bloomin anything !!!! thanks for that pal i have checked everything at the front now . the sound of the click never changes and it even does it when the engine is off as i turned it off to listen once . it does sound like a key tapping on the top yolk but i have obviously eliminated that . gona put the washers/spring seats where the diagram shows them tomorrow and see if that sorts it . running out of ideas now ? thanks again .....dave .
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Post by kawasakiinit on Mar 3, 2010 21:44:35 GMT
Hi all Had same clicking from front spent ages trying to find it, removed calipers, pads and finally worked out it was speedo drive, bit of grease now cant hear no clicking but I do get bad vibrations around 3k revs. But I think they all do that thanks pal i have filled the drive unit with grease and tried to disconnect the cable while i ride it but its still there ? i will keep on looking i wont be beat.. dave
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Post by neilmud Lord Protector on Mar 4, 2010 2:15:16 GMT
Try wrapping your keys in a soft cloth they are rattling ;D
Neil
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Post by kawasakiinit on Mar 4, 2010 8:21:45 GMT
NOPE, BEEN DOWN THE ROAD HOLDING KEYS IN MY HAND (ONLY GOT THE BIKE KEY AND ALARM FOB ON THERE ANYWAY )....
MAYBE THE NEXT PHASE IS WHEN I START HEARING VOICES LOL....
FRIGGIN NOISE IS GONNA DO MY HEAD IN ......
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Post by Sean on Mar 4, 2010 9:31:54 GMT
DOES IT SOUND LIKE THIS.?
"click click click click CLick CLIck CLIck CLICk CLICK CLICK CLICK "
GETTING LOUDER?
I KNOW WHAT IT IS!
THE LOLLY STICK IN THE FRONT WHEEL OF THE KID CATCHING YOU UP ON HIS BMX NEEDS CHANGING!!
GLAD TO BE OF HELP.... ;D ;D
(sorry couldn't resist it!)
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Post by CD on Mar 4, 2010 9:52:29 GMT
Maybe you already tried this... Slacken the steering head bearing lock washer so you can feel the clunk & ride the bike. If the character of the original noise changes then it could be caused by the head bearing. If its unchanged its not the head bearing. To rule out the brake pads you could wedge lolly sticks behind (not in front ) to stop them rattling.
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Post by kawasakiinit on Mar 4, 2010 11:05:42 GMT
Maybe you already tried this... Slacken the steering head bearing lock washer so you can feel the clunk & ride the bike. If the character of the original noise changes then it could be caused by the head bearing. If its unchanged its not the head bearing. To rule out the brake pads you could wedge lolly sticks behind (not in front ) to stop them rattling. GONNA TRY THAT TOMORROW MORN HAVE TO GO TO WORK NOW . JUST BEEN OUT AND PUT THE FORKS AS THEY SHOULD BE AND STILL THERE . caps sorry gona check if the chassis number has 666 in it ... thanks dave
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Post by kawasakiinit on Mar 4, 2010 11:06:53 GMT
DOES IT SOUND LIKE THIS.? "click click click click CLick CLIck CLIck CLICk CLICK CLICK CLICK " GETTING LOUDER? I KNOW WHAT IT IS! THE LOLLY STICK IN THE FRONT WHEEL OF THE KID CATCHING YOU UP ON HIS BMX NEEDS CHANGING!! GLAD TO BE OF HELP.... ;D ;D (sorry couldn't resist it!) sex and travel
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Post by Sean on Mar 5, 2010 2:07:15 GMT
;D
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Post by kawasakiinit on Mar 5, 2010 16:56:23 GMT
right ordered some fork bushes today thats all it can be now surely . anyway i will give it a go and let ya know ........
click click AAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR ...................
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Post by kawasakiinit on Mar 8, 2010 20:56:32 GMT
BAST**D i fitted the bushes still clicking... not happy at all...
does anybody know what the small plastic thing is where the bolt goes through the "oil lock piece"(as its called in the manual) the plastic thing looks sort of castellated and sits between some shims held in by a circlip. on my forks the castellated thing moves about 3 or 4 mm up and down ,should this move at all or should it be solid between the shims . if so there lies my problem i reckon ....
please help me before i go insane '''*---*'''
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Post by Fiasco on Mar 8, 2010 23:45:26 GMT
does anybody know what the small plastic thing is where the bolt goes through the "oil lock piece"(as its called in the manual) the plastic thing looks sort of castellated and sits between some shims held in by a circlip. on my forks the castellated thing moves about 3 or 4 mm up and down ,should this move at all or should it be solid between the shims . if so there lies my problem i reckon .... Ohhhhh - You mean the clicker ??
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Post by Sean on Mar 9, 2010 1:43:16 GMT
does anybody know what the small plastic thing is where the bolt goes through the "oil lock piece"(as its called in the manual) the plastic thing looks sort of castellated and sits between some shims held in by a circlip. on my forks the castellated thing moves about 3 or 4 mm up and down ,should this move at all or should it be solid between the shims . if so there lies my problem i reckon .... Ohhhhh - You mean the clicker ?? yes the clicker - why didn't you say so? "they ALL do that!" ;D ;D
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Post by kawasakiinit on Mar 9, 2010 21:32:29 GMT
FILL IN THE GAPS Y-U P--R OF F--KING TOS--RS ;-)....
FUNNY THOUGH .................
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Post by Fiasco on Mar 9, 2010 22:07:27 GMT
FILL IN THE GAPS Y-U P--R OF F--KING TOS--RS ;-).... FUNNY THOUGH ................. ;D
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Post by neilmud Lord Protector on Mar 9, 2010 22:28:04 GMT
Have you tried riding without your teeth in ;D
Neil
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Post by Sean on Mar 10, 2010 1:35:59 GMT
FILL IN THE GAPS Y-U P--R OF F--KING TOS--RS ;-).... FUNNY THOUGH ................. ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Post by johnthebowman on Mar 10, 2010 2:11:43 GMT
Right, you gota sort this for ya birfday, Kawasakiinit I just been reading through all the posts on this thread. Front wheel bearings.How were they checked by your friend who does M.O.T.s By feeling for play on the wheel rim? By feeling for play on the bearing? By taking the wheel off the bike and spinning it and listening for rumble? You say it only clicks whilst riding. A front wheel bearing could pass all three test above and still click whilst riding! I'm on my forth set of front wheel bearings on my D9 You have thoroughly checked every thing else on the front end. They are the only thing left. I don't think its the forks because it doesn't do it over bumps. Does it click more often the faster you go? If the answer is yes. I think you should do the following. Buy some new front wheel bearings and make sure they are the sealed type on both sides. Leave them in their wrappings and little boxes. Wrap them up in two plastic bags tightly and place them in the bottom of your deep freeze. Relax, open a beer and enjoy your birthday More instructions to follow.
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Post by kawasakiinit on Mar 10, 2010 20:04:09 GMT
Right, you gota sort this for ya birfday, Kawasakiinit I just been reading through all the posts on this thread. Front wheel bearings.How were they checked by your friend who does M.O.T.s By feeling for play on the wheel rim? By feeling for play on the bearing? By taking the wheel off the bike and spinning it and listening for rumble? You say it only clicks whilst riding. A front wheel bearing could pass all three test above and still click whilst riding! I'm on my forth set of front wheel bearings on my D9 You have thoroughly checked every thing else on the front end. They are the only thing left. I don't think its the forks because it doesn't do it over bumps. Does it click more often the faster you go? If the answer is yes. I think you should do the following. Buy some new front wheel bearings and make sure they are the sealed type on both sides. Leave them in their wrappings and little boxes. Wrap them up in two plastic bags tightly and place them in the bottom of your deep freeze. Relax, open a beer and enjoy your birthday More instructions to follow. RIGHT thanks for your reply john ;-). wheel bearings have been checked by friend by spinning wheel on the bike with me weighing the back down on center stand ,also by checking for play by holding rim looking for side to side movement . the noise happens when i push and pull the forks with brake on stood still i prob wasnt pushing/pulling hard enough before no comments please ;-). it happens ONLY when i go over bumps this is what leads me to the forks . the noise stays the same at all speeds . i am convinced it is the part in the bottom of the forks which has play in it . i have even taken the handle bars off tonight as i was told that there may be something inside them from when i changed my grips but nothing ... next time i get a day off am gonna take fairing off and ride with out it to eliminate that and then take forks off again and shim up the bits i described above .if no joy then i think i will have a barbeque and cook all the meat on my burning divvy ... ;D all welcome.........................
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Post by kawasakiinit on Mar 14, 2010 19:06:10 GMT
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Post by Fiasco on Mar 14, 2010 19:09:19 GMT
Great News Mate, gotta hand it to you for stick-ability Now go and have a well deserved beer - is that a bit of a creek on the fridge door ?? Dave
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Post by kawasakiinit on Mar 14, 2010 19:19:32 GMT
very funny dave ;-) do you know what it does ,the part not the fridge door ......
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Post by johnthebowman on Mar 14, 2010 19:38:58 GMT
Clearly the part is to prevent clicking noises. . . . . when bent properly ;D L.O.L. Glad you sorted it I'm sure Martin did not have all those parts in my forks. He did say that many D9 forks appear to have different parts inside!
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Post by m40man on Mar 14, 2010 20:35:07 GMT
.... I'm sure Martin did not have all those parts in my forks. Not after I'd finished with 'em .
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