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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2009 11:55:35 GMT
You'll have to do a study on the braking system of a CX Custom US single disc model ;D I thought they had anchors ;D |
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Post by teejayexc on Apr 20, 2009 12:14:26 GMT
You'll have to do a study on the braking system of a CX Custom US single disc model ;D I thought they had anchors ;D You did say 'anchors' didn't you  |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2009 12:24:14 GMT
Yep I said Anchors, I wasn't referring to the owners |
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Post by amorti on Apr 30, 2009 14:18:24 GMT
I ordered the hagon springs. My wallet hurts - could be sunburn? There'll be another thread, where you can all tell me the Divvy was good enough as it was , soon enough  |
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Post by m40man on Apr 30, 2009 14:19:44 GMT
..... where you can all tell me the Divvy was good enough as it was .... ;D Excellent . |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2009 14:31:27 GMT
I ordered the hagon springs. My wallet hurts - could be sunburn? There'll be another thread, where you can all tell me the Divvy was good enough as it was , soon enough Not me, the suspension sucks. |
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Post by amorti on Apr 30, 2009 14:36:55 GMT
..... where you can all tell me the Divvy was good enough as it was .... ;D Excellent . Impertinent yoof, moi?  |
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Post by m40man on Apr 30, 2009 14:47:41 GMT
Impertinent yoof, moi? I'm desperately aligning myself with you, so as to appear yoof-full [1]. (I can manage the impertinent bit all by myself.) [1] This does not mean full of young persons. |
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Post by beeblemaster on Apr 30, 2009 15:10:05 GMT
..... where you can all tell me the Divvy was good enough as it was .... ;D Excellent . Having bought mine off Penfold, I can't see me contributing to that thread ;D |
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Post by qtws on Jun 11, 2009 19:42:26 GMT
ummm hummm.....has the dust settled folks? ok, I have std master and single disc on my 600, with braided line and HH pads. I thought the brakes were ok, if a little lacking in feel, as long as I kept them well clean. Or so I thought... Borrowed a mate's '94 GSXR400 for a little while (a week), and oh my, what nice brakes it has (even with worn out pads  more squeeze=more stop. Very progressive and makes the divy brakes feel like carp! I want GSXR feel on my D6! So, what master cylinder should I be looking for - there is the pesky Yamaha left hand thread issue with the RHS mirror. Anyone know what Yam cylinders might bolt on? Oh yes, from looking at the vintage brakechart in amorti's post, as far as I can see, the diversion is more like 10.xx, rather than anywhere near 20, for two pistons, meaning that surely a 10mm cylinder or less would be needed.... or have I got my sums wrong? Cheers, Nigel |
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Post by qtws on Jun 11, 2009 19:49:33 GMT
ah, having now read the whole thread  the NTV one is the one to go for - and that yamaha mirror screws straight in to the yamaha clamp that is retained. Ebay here I come! ;D |
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Post by amorti on Jun 11, 2009 20:11:13 GMT
Dust is settled I think. My bike has still not caused space and time to invert, and the brakes are still 100% better than original.
That chart is an excellent resource but I think it takes some creative interpretation when considering the difference between one and two, and fixed versus sliding calipers.
So all in all, the NTV cylinder is the puppy. If you found a Yam part that did the job it might maybe be handy, as then you could potentially not have to butcher into the loom. When you do chop into the loom, do be sure to use decent connectors and insulation. Maplin keep some suitable rubber (rather than plastic) covers for spade plugs. Normal female spades are all you need, be sure to use the proper kind of crimp pliers too. Unfortunately not done in the pictures I took and my phone/ camera is off being fixed.
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Post by CD on Jun 15, 2009 17:09:16 GMT
Dont expect much "help" from Yam parts. I have an R6 master cyl (with blue spot brakes) on my D9. The brake light plug is different and the handlebar clamp holes have a different spacing needing some filing to line up the screws. The R6 clamp works fine but then there's no-where to put the Divvie mirror. Edit: I filed the mirror clamp mounting holes not the master cylinder. |
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Post by metalforever on Jul 22, 2009 8:15:48 GMT
May i ask how the master cylinder size is determined i.e 14mm for the standard divvy?
Is it the actual reservoir size or the piston size?
Im guessing the later?
How is it measured? :$
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Post by CD on Jul 22, 2009 9:41:53 GMT
Its the master cylinder piston diameter or more correctly its bore area that matters. The reservoir simply keeps the system topped up and can be any size or shape you like.
Amorti suggests the 1/2" cylinder is ideal. You are looking at 12.5mm Approx 123mm2 compared to 154mm2 for a 14mm cylinder.
A smaller cylinder gives a longer stroke/travel so more "leverage" and as long as its not too small better control and feel.
Amorti say's the 12.5mm is much better than the 14mm.
Doing a quick sum I think its around 25% more lever travel for the same fluid movement.
For the cost of a used master cylinder, its got to be worth a try - it can always go back to standard if you dont like it.
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Post by metalforever on Jul 22, 2009 12:41:26 GMT
thats my plan but im hoping to find a yamaha item so i dont have to rewire anything.
Thom and Electrics do not get along!
Is there an easy way to obtain the piston diametres?
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Post by HRHpenfold on Jul 22, 2009 13:12:10 GMT
Dont expect much "help" from Yam parts. I have an R6 master cyl (with blue spot brakes) on my D9. The brake light plug is different and the handlebar clamp holes have a different spacing needing some filing to line up the screws. The R6 clamp works fine but then there's no-where to put the Divvie mirror. Edit: I filed the mirror clamp mounting holes not the master cylinder. on the 900, the fazer 600/1000 master fits straight on and includes the mirror fitting, you just cut off the stoplight switch connector with some wire showing on the d9 switch, as the fazer item uses mini spade connectors, then crimp on the mini spade, if you then crimp on the femail mini spade connectors to the divvie switch, then it can all be converted back to using the divie brake master/brakes once you come to sell. no good on the single disc 600 though. |
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Post by metalforever on Jul 23, 2009 7:47:17 GMT
Im trying to compile a list of possible M/C's that should work. i've found the RD125lc has a 1/2" master cylinder. if i can locate one cheaply enough im going to try it out.
After scouring the local M and S:
Yamaha XT660 (07 reg)
Honda CBF 500 (55 reg)
CBF 1000 (06 reg)
Honda CBR 1000 (N reg)
All of the above have a half inch master cylinder, likely the same that was used on the NTV650, however it looks as though the CBF/CBR will be an almost straight swap.
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Post by CD on Jul 23, 2009 14:27:43 GMT
You might need to watch out for the mirror mounting.
Mine uses the R6 master cyl because it came with the brakes. A bit more trouble to fit but it works fine.
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Post by metalforever on Jul 24, 2009 7:25:24 GMT
Yeah the reverse thread has been causing my a problem, although im sure, worst comes to worst i'll buy another set of mirrors, some i can see out of preferebly. Or i could just buy the same model i have on now in the standard thread design |
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Post by amorti on Jul 24, 2009 11:20:23 GMT
Why not just use the divvy's mirror clamp, as shown in my pictures? incidentally, the world *still* hasn't ended due to me mixing up bits off different bikes |
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Post by CD on Jul 24, 2009 11:38:23 GMT
Works for me. R6 brakes (with Divvie mirror clamp) FJ1200 rear shock Toolbox torch LED spotlamps Home made pannier rack Honda VTR1000 crash bungs Non standard seat (some of the time) Home made heated grips controller American anti vibe handlebar risers etc etc Edit: Beowulf cans (courtesy of Tigger) ;D |
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Post by amorti on Aug 29, 2009 14:08:36 GMT
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Post by maczone on Mar 29, 2011 22:31:35 GMT
Hi all
Just a quick note to say that the NTV60 master cylinder upgrade works much better than the original master cylinder.
I can now use my front brakes safely at slow speeds around town, without fear of locking the front wheel or juddering to a stop, which could happen with the original one.
All together a much more accurate braking system, giving me the control I require for safe riding.
Thank Amorti ;D
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Post by amorti on Mar 30, 2011 9:04:00 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2011 9:15:38 GMT
Still think if you ride your properly maintained bike properly you don't need to fiddle with the brakes. |
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Post by amorti on Mar 30, 2011 10:00:55 GMT
Still think if you ride your properly maintained bike properly you don't need to fiddle with the brakes. And you still haven't tried both options, so I still think you would be best to offer opinions on topics where you know what you're talking about |
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Post by m40man on Mar 30, 2011 10:03:36 GMT
Still think if you ride your properly maintained bike properly you don't need to fiddle with the brakes. Sometimes I don't even bother having a rear one fitted . |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2011 10:45:22 GMT
Still think if you ride your properly maintained bike properly you don't need to fiddle with the brakes. And you still haven't tried both options, so I still think you would be best to offer opinions on topics where you know what you're talking about Having tried both D6, D9 and a reasonable number of other bikes through the years I think I'm qualified enough to figure out how to stop a bike thanks, come back to me with words of wisdom when you're out of nappies. I haven't said you didn't improve the brakes with your bodging I merely said the fitted brakes are adequate if kept serviced. |
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Post by teejayexc on Mar 30, 2011 11:24:10 GMT
Sometimes I don't even bother having a rear one fitted . Or when they are 'fitted' the pads are of more use for shaving then for braking  |
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more squeeze=more stop. Very progressive and makes the divy brakes feel like carp! I want GSXR feel on my D6!
the NTV one is the one to go for - and that yamaha mirror screws straight in to the yamaha clamp that is retained. Ebay here I come! ;D
