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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2007 10:23:00 GMT
Martin
You can't be seriously suggesting we all become vegetarians, what would all the tree huggers have to complain about over the herbal tea and tofu sandwiches on their camp outs.
And jeepsters farming buddies would struggle to make ends meet if they didn't screw the EU for over production subsidies.
Dunc
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Post by m40man on Mar 12, 2007 10:30:02 GMT
Martin You can't be seriously suggesting we all become vegetarians, what would all the tree huggers have to complain about over the herbal tea and tofu sandwiches on their camp outs. And jeepsters farming buddies would struggle to make ends meet if they didn't screw the EU for over production subsidies. Dunc Dunc - With protien production from meat requiring 6 times the land to produce, compared to arable yields, maybe it's time. You'd feed a lot more of the World's hungry. Don't fret ......... it's not only meat over-production that is EU subsidised. And I'm sure Gurninman would still find something to complain about. |
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Post by farmer pf1 on Mar 12, 2007 11:23:03 GMT
who hoo! what a good discussion I cant stand anybody. Lonely farmer  Hi Beebs Hi Grafe yes you just dont mess with those Aussie farmers. |
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Post by CD on Mar 12, 2007 11:27:22 GMT
Some folk are laughing now, but if we dont get our collective acts together PDQ we'll have the country covered in sugar cane to grow alcohol for petrol. Who knows where we'll grow food.
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Post by General Gman on Mar 12, 2007 12:16:26 GMT
Martin You can't be seriously suggesting we all become vegetarians, what would all the tree huggers have to complain about over the herbal tea and tofu sandwiches on their camp outs. And jeepsters farming buddies would struggle to make ends meet if they didn't screw the EU for over production subsidies. Dunc Dunc - With protien production from meat requiring 6 times the land to produce, compared to arable yields, maybe it's time. You'd feed a lot more of the World's hungry. Don't fret ......... it's not only meat over-production that is EU subsidised. And I'm sure Gurninman would still find something to complain about. hehe - firstly.... cannibalism... I can think o a few ladeez I'd like to get me tongue on..... and yeah, I'll always find something to complain about.Like those northerners coming down here, pinching our jobs, buying our houses...... ;D |
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Post by olddivvy on Mar 12, 2007 13:11:29 GMT
Highways Act 1980 Section 161 “If a person, without lawful authority or excuse, deposits anything whatsoever on a highway in consequence of which a user of the highway is injured or endangered, that person is guilty of an offence”. Furthermore, the Road Traffic Act 1988 covers situations where a mechanically propelled vehicle is driven dangerously on a road. Driving dangerously can include driving a vehicle in a state that could cause danger to others. Punishment for these offences ranges from fines to imprisonment.
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Post by apricot on Mar 12, 2007 13:31:02 GMT
"but I don't think any bloke would listen to me normally! "Pardon I was enjoying this thread till Martin mentioned Sheep. Now I'm all distracted. Where's me wellies, think I'll go for a stroll this afternoon.... Strange thread though. Seems Jeepster has more of an issue with his financial achievement/purchasing power than anything Swerve mentioned. Keep buying the lottery tickets mate, OR buy a cheap farm. The subsidys are great. My two pennies worth on the original issue. Single track road with farmland either side for miles = carp road with mud whatever the farmer does or doesn't do to clean up. Part of the package I reckon. Farmer threatens missus = punch for the farmer. Simple innit ;D Ady
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Post by divvy600red on Mar 12, 2007 13:50:59 GMT
Jeepster
Get a life mate. *w*t.
I agree with Apricot, Swerve. Give the subsidy grabbing, uncooperative, rude b****** a good smack. ;D
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Post by jeepster1 on Mar 12, 2007 17:38:10 GMT
Just to set the record straight. I live where I do because when I bought my house it cost 45k. The cheapest house in the area where I grewup was about 150k for the similar thing, in fact I could not afford to buy my house now as it is worth around 140k.
I still work on the land where I grewup and I have to commute in my 4x4, I have a 4x4 because i'm required to provide suitable transport for myself and equipment to access the remote areas of that land! It just so happens that I like off roading, but I do not use green lanes, I only use private pay sites as I do not see the need to aggrovate the general public.
Yes I am upset about the fact I can't afford to buy a house where I've always lived and still wish to, I was born there. Years ago only people who worked locally lived there, but being so close to bristol the money came along and they started buying up land and building houses, Big ones. recently a small plot of land cameup for building on, it sold for 300k. I can't compete with that. I'm not going to blame farmers for selling the land, they've just siezed an opportunity.
So when newcomers arrive and moan, I have very little sympathy. It's the way it has always been, and in all likleyhood it is the way it will stay for an awful long time to come.
Finally I would like to give my sincere appologies to anyone I have offended on this thread, especially Swerve. I realise I have gone OTT and it was not neccecary.
Jeepster1
p.s. no one should threatening to punch anyone, it's just unacceptable!
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Post by Dame judgejools44 on Mar 12, 2007 18:49:24 GMT
Fair and well said Jeepster! Now don't do it again......LOL!! ;D
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Post by General Gman on Mar 12, 2007 22:58:31 GMT
Do as madame Jools says..... or she'll be gettin the twattin sticks out.BTW, Jepp, where are you ? I used to live in Clevedon-on-mud.....
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Post by Dame judgejools44 on Mar 12, 2007 23:36:28 GMT
Do as madame Jools says..... or she'll be gettin the twattin sticks out.BTW, Jepp, where are you ? I used to live in Clevedon-on-mud..... As you found out recently eh gurninman!? ;D |
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Post by General Gman on Mar 12, 2007 23:37:44 GMT
Do as madame Jools says..... or she'll be gettin the twattin sticks out.BTW, Jepp, where are you ? I used to live in Clevedon-on-mud..... As you found out recently eh gurninman!? ;D Me eyes are still watering....  |
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Post by swerve9031 on Mar 13, 2007 10:51:42 GMT
Wow, Sorry to have started such a heated debate on such various subjects.
Now I have cooled down a bit, I would thank jeepster for his apology,
I haven't bought a huge house in the country, following break up of my marriage I have to live here cos it's cheap, and my ex wife has taken nearly all of the equity in our former home.
What I have realised however is MOST farmers are reasonable people, just this particular one is a total TO***R.
I was rather hoping FarmerPF would comment, I believe NFU guidelines suggest cleaning up once work has finished for the day. I reckopn this guy regards that as once a year!
All I want to do is enjoy my bike in a safe environment without too much grief.
It's a fabulous place to live today, sun shining, deer in the field outside, birds singing, the only thing to complete it would be a safer road.
OK Rant over, thanks for your comments.
Peter
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Post by alpaholic on Mar 13, 2007 11:52:05 GMT
Heated debate is what it's bulletin boards are all about!
Well done to Swerve and Jeepster for keeping us all entertained! I would have joined in if I could have figured out which side I wanted to be on!
Keep it up guys!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2007 12:45:09 GMT
I hate agreeing with Alpaholic but this was the best thread for a while.
jeepster, the fact you were OTT gave us all a reason to continue winding you up. Kept me amused for a couple of days. I realise you feel strongly but couldn't resist having a pop. It's generally not serious and most of us will be on the receiving end from time to time. It's just a game, most of the people on here good guys.
Dunc
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Post by Dame judgejools44 on Mar 13, 2007 13:00:31 GMT
Here here!! I'm a nice person 99% of the time Swerve and Jeepster....I was tired and ratty the other night so had to get me 10 cents in as they say!! ;D
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2007 13:06:36 GMT
OK, who's the joker that's found out how to sign in as JJ
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Post by CD on Mar 13, 2007 16:24:44 GMT
My ex wife is from a farming family. If they really muck up a road they use the rubber yard scraper to clear it off the road. But it still leaves a smear of mud thats as bad as ice when it rains until the rain and traffic wash it off. So its a judgement as to whether its better left for traffic to clear the mud or to go out with the scraper. Its also not possible to tell cows to poo only in the field and that stuff is like greased ice.
As a biker, I prefer the road muddy because the lumps stand out. A wet sludgy layer often isnt obvious until its too late.
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Post by Dame judgejools44 on Mar 13, 2007 17:39:18 GMT
OK, who's the joker that's found out how to sign in as JJ Thanks....just for that I'm gonna smite ya!! HA!! ;D |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2007 17:44:23 GMT
JJ I'm deeply traumatised now having lost 50% of my Karma in one go.
Especially since I've been giving you one on a regular basis.
Dunc.
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Post by Dame judgejools44 on Mar 13, 2007 18:23:56 GMT
JJ I'm deeply traumatised now having lost 50% of my Karma in one go. Especially since I've been giving you one on a regular basis. Dunc.  Okie, I'll give it back when my timer re-sets!!  |
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Post by Dame judgejools44 on Mar 13, 2007 18:41:21 GMT
I have now given Bev (Dunc) one!! ;D
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Post by jeepster1 on Mar 13, 2007 19:18:55 GMT
I just noticed my Karma score, -43  I guess that's what you get for being a grouchy old farmer type |
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Post by Dame judgejools44 on Mar 13, 2007 19:25:58 GMT
I just noticed my Karma score, -43 I guess that's what you get for being a grouchy old farmer type Hehehe...I'll admit to smiting ya hun after my biyatch comment! ;D Told ya I was in a mood...LOL!! |
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Post by CD on Mar 13, 2007 20:30:00 GMT
-43? and I thought -7 was sub-zero cool.
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Post by apricot on Mar 13, 2007 21:02:52 GMT
"Finally I would like to give my sincere appologies to anyone I have offended on this thread,"
I was more than a little harsh on my response Jeepster. Apologies mate.
Ady
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Post by alpaholic on Mar 13, 2007 21:12:32 GMT
I just noticed my Karma score, -43 You say that like it's a bad thing! Respect! Some work to do to catch the great TJ600 though! |
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Post by bobh on Mar 19, 2007 19:29:49 GMT
Apologies for the delay in saying my piece on this thread - I've only just signed up to the new site and I'm trying to catch up on everything.
I think some people (but probably not Swerve or Jeepster) misunderstand what the countryside is all about now. There have been huge changes over the last few decades.
At one time the countryside provided a livelihood for individual farmers and their workers. These ranged from small one-family outfits through to large estates with a mansion for the owner and villages of tied cottages for the forelock-tugging workers. But all these people lived on-site, or at least close by, and were therefore members of the local community with all that implies in terms of responsibilities and respect.
A high proportion of these farms, particularly the medium-sized ones in more prosperous areas, have now given up, due to a combination of pressure on prices from monopolistic customers (driven in turn by demand from all of us for cheap food) and the lure of the high prices (fortunes in some cases) to be made from selling up.
Now, in many areas, the remaining farmland is merely an asset to be exploited by anonymous companies ("UK Agriculture plc"). Whereas the old-style farmworker could, as often as not, go anywhere on the farm without going near a public road, now the land is in isolated parcels and can only be reached that way. Furthermore the people who do the actual work are often contractors who have to come from a depot some way away. All of this adds up to a lot more vehicle-miles on public roads.
Add in the fact that the contractors are no longer strictly "local" so have no neighbourly allegiance to the local community (or what's left of it once the pub, post office and school have closed) and it's not surprising that they don't care too much about the mess they leave behind or the local residents they wind up. Remember also that they are under pressure to finish the job as quickly as possible and to keep their costs down.
I have to say that in the village where I live the problems are somewhat different. The last two family dairy farms sold up a couple of years ago. Since then the volume of heavy agricultural traffic has multiplied by a huge factor. It used to be just the milk tanker once a day and the odd lorry carrying straw or feed but now there can be several dozen movements a day, even more at peak times, and it seems to go on for longer which is bad news if you want to get to sleep on a summer night with the windows open. Also the vehicles are much bigger, heavier and faster than they used to be.
The local lanes were never intended for heavy vehicles; many have a 7.5T limit but of course that doesn't apply to agricultural vehicles. As a result of all the extra heavy traffic the road surfaces rapidly deteriorate, becoming bumpy and rutted. Once they get too bad they have to be completely re-laid, but of course it can only be done to the old standard, so they rapidly deteriorate again. This work is paid for out of council tax, and is in effect yet another hidden subsidy to UK Agriculture plc (together with no road fund licence, red diesel etc.) I wouldn't mind so much if it were going to local farmers but now it's being pocketed by anonymous shareholders in the city.
Rant over - BobH (the rider formerly known as Wittgenstein66)
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Okie, I'll give it back when my timer re-sets!! 
