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Post by blah on Dec 14, 2011 14:13:48 GMT
I noticed yesterday that the N/S oil pipe coming from the oil cooler has corroded on the diversion and is now losing oil at a rate to worry about. I am currently looking into ways to patch it up as I need the bike for work tonight, however it will need sorting so I have been scratching my head on how to best go about this.
Now I have been told that the old diversions didn't have oil coolers. Seeing as I have problems with getting the engine warm in winter (I did 80 miles the other day and the engine is still gunked up with mayo!) would it be worth removing the oil cooler and pipes and blocking the outlet up some how? This would allow the engine to get warmer and may even run better, however would this affect the oil pressure sensor? Has anyone else tried this?
Secondly I will need to fit a cooler and pipes for summer. I was thinking of just fitting braided hoses. Would this be a feesible option and if so does anyone know the diameter of the pipes that I would require to do this?
Thank you
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Post by HRHpenfold on Dec 14, 2011 14:26:39 GMT
I noticed yesterday that the N/S oil pipe coming from the oil cooler has corroded on the diversion and is now losing oil at a rate to worry about. I am currently looking into ways to patch it up as I need the bike for work tonight, however it will need sorting so I have been scratching my head on how to best go about this. Now I have been told that the old diversions didn't have oil coolers. Seeing as I have problems with getting the engine warm in winter (I did 80 miles the other day and the engine is still gunked up with mayo!) would it be worth removing the oil cooler and pipes and blocking the outlet up some how? This would allow the engine to get warmer and may even run better, however would this affect the oil pressure sensor? Has anyone else tried this? Secondly I will need to fit a cooler and pipes for summer. I was thinking of just fitting braided hoses. Would this be a feesible option and if so does anyone know the diameter of the pipes that I would require to do this? Thank you There is no oil pressure sensor, only an oil level sensor, It's probably 3/8 (10mm)hose that you want, though you would get away with 1/2, there is not much pressure through the hose! |
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Post by blah on Dec 14, 2011 15:19:34 GMT
No I didn't mean an oil pressure sensor in the hose itself. I was referring to there being a sensor within the engine block itself, but seeing as it's only an oil level sensor then that is fine.
I'll look into getting 10mm hose then. Cheers
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Post by newell on Dec 14, 2011 16:30:29 GMT
Hi
I have the oil cooler and pipes assembly on the 98 Divi 600 that I'm breaking, still attached to the bike at present.
Interested?
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Post by blah on Dec 14, 2011 16:39:14 GMT
The oil cooler is in good nick on mine, it just seems to be the pipes that are in need of replacing. What condition are they in as I am looking at replacement hoses and clamps at the moment.
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Post by cam7777 on Dec 14, 2011 18:21:51 GMT
Good luck with getting the old pipes off the oil cooler  |
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Post by newell on Dec 14, 2011 18:49:35 GMT
I'll take a look at the job in the morning................  |
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Post by newell on Dec 15, 2011 7:41:47 GMT
Despite good intentions I have to put my hand up and say I cannot see myself getting the time to remove these pipes this side of Christmas. Apologies for the interuption  |
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Post by CD on Dec 15, 2011 11:47:29 GMT
Is it really worth the risk of cracking the cooler? Get a small pipe cutter like thy use for copper brake lines and microbore plumbing. Chop the metal pipes 1" from each end and run flexibles down to the oil filter.
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Post by blah on Dec 15, 2011 21:49:59 GMT
I have been concerned over trashing the oil cooler in the process of removing the pipes.
Looks like its going to be the hose option then.
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Post by bobh on Dec 15, 2011 22:19:41 GMT
It's not too difficlut to get the pipe unioins on the cooler undone, so long as you know there's a potential problem and handkle it accordingly by back-holding the big hex rather than allowing the torque to go through the cooler. After all, the cooler has to come off to check the valve clearances, so it's got to be done sometime.
Personally I'd take the pipes off anyway if I was fitting hoses, so I could get a clean cut and could wash out any debris from the pipes afterwards (and maybe paint them up with some Hammerite while they're off. It would also allow me to make a bit of a barb on the pipe to help keep the hose on. But that's just me being pernickety - the in situ method is just as valid.
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Post by CD on Dec 16, 2011 11:26:46 GMT
Bob is right of course and if not too careful cutting the pipes the cooler could get stressed. But back-holding the unions is important make 100% sure your spanner/socket is doing the job. Mine have an internal chamfer that stops them properly picking up on the hex.
A pipe cutter however while leaving a burr on the inside wont leave sharp edges on the outside to cut the rubber hose.
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Post by blah on Dec 16, 2011 12:11:20 GMT
Well I was going to use a pipe cutter to try and minimise damage caused to the pipes when cutting them. I read on another thread about fitting a thermostatic bypass valve to help the oil get hot in winter. I have been thinking of fitting something like this to help with the mayo effect in the engine over the winter. diversionclub.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=technicaltips&action=display&thread=16294The only thermostatic valves I've seen online are more suitable for indoor central heating. Struggling to find something suitable to do this. Any suggestions? Was thinking of fitting the valve and diversion hose by where the clamps are situated now. What do you think? |
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Post by HRHpenfold on Dec 16, 2011 12:39:31 GMT
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Post by blah on Dec 16, 2011 14:04:05 GMT
I spotted the Jagg 4050 Automatic Oil Cooler By-Pass Valve which looks pretty smart although it's pricey.
Seeing as I've got to tackle the valve clearances in spring, I'm wondering whether to attempt to remove the oil cooler and pipes and leave a 1 inch section of pipe from the engine and then just link a braided hose straight across. Means a quick fix, warmer engine and a chance for me to sort out a smarter, longer term solution for spring.
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Post by CD on Dec 23, 2011 11:14:37 GMT
They do look nice but not cheap. For now just join the stubs with a loop of oil hose. It does not need to be steel braided.
Look for a universal cooler kit that will fit the bike. You might find an alternative place to put it. Air flow under the fuel tank cant be good.
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