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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2016 22:30:47 GMT
Put my Mk1 Fazer 600 on MCN this afternoon. It had only been up for a couple of hours and a guy from Sheffield phoned saying he wanted to buy it. Not that he was interested in buying it but that he wanted it.....
.....and if I gave him my Bank details he would transfer the funds immediately!!!
result eh!
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Post by HRHpenfold on Feb 22, 2016 22:47:09 GMT
Yes result,
Are you worried that it is a scam?
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Post by satnav on Feb 23, 2016 4:48:58 GMT
So why can't he just turn up with cash?
If it is a time thing for him, why not suggest you ride the bike to him and you could do cash on delivery.
If nothing else his reaction would tell you alot.
Worst that could happen is you get to ride out to Sheffield. Losing a few quid in petrol is not as bad as having your bank account emptied by some shyster.
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Post by satnav on Feb 23, 2016 5:04:02 GMT
The more I think about this the more it has scam written all over it. A quick search on Autotrder shows 11 bikes within a 50 mile radius of Sheffield, why does he want yours so badly?.
Two more suggestions. Use PayPal instead, or ask him to send a cheque and when it clears you will deliver the bike or he can pick it up. If he is that keen to have your bike then he should have no problems.
Even if you give him your bank details and he transfers the money, he can reverse the transaction 5 mins after picking the bike up. He then has your bike, keys and V5, and you have no money.
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Post by satnav on Feb 23, 2016 5:21:03 GMT
One last thing. If you have already given him your details I urge you most strongly to stop reading this and ring your bank, now!
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Post by bev on Feb 23, 2016 7:14:45 GMT
Of course he wants that bike, it's been fettled by the Yamaha Forum's finest.  Still running too.  I often wonder if any of these scams pay off. |
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Post by m40man on Feb 23, 2016 7:54:11 GMT
Need not be a scam at all - but there is a simple line of defence you can take to offer you some reassurance:
Ask him for his bank details. Then transfer a small value into his account, not saying how much.
Ask him to confirm the value of the amount you've transferred. If he gets it right, then you have a UK bank branch & sort-code which can be used by the rozzers to ID him in the event that it's dodgy.
Obviously if he won't play ball, or can't tell you how much you transferred, then you've only lost the few pence that you've transferred.
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Post by Reaper on Feb 23, 2016 8:04:20 GMT
Need not be a scam at all - but there is a simple line of defence you can take to offer you some reassurance: Ask him for his bank details. Then transfer a small value into his account, not saying how much. Ask him to confirm the value of the amount you've transferred. If he gets it right, then you have a UK bank branch & sort-code which can be used by the rozzers to ID him in the event that it's dodgy. Obviously if he won't play ball, or can't tell you how much you transferred, then you've only lost the few pence that you've transferred. If this is anything like the car buying scams then what you have sudgested wont help, as they use some dear old ladies account that they have already scammed on another phishing trip. You will just be putting money into an account that they have access to. Some of these guys are really clever with there multi layered scams. Hope all goes OK for you. |
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Post by m40man on Feb 23, 2016 8:19:58 GMT
If this is anything like the car buying scams then what you have sudgested wont help, as they use some dear old ladies account that they have already scammed on another phishing trip. Agreed, I describe it as 'some reassurance'. It's not a guarantee, just a line of defence. |
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Post by Doom on Feb 23, 2016 8:45:12 GMT
Isn't it a shame there isn't an "ironic" emoticon? I think I detect it's invisible use at the end of the original post.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2016 9:21:47 GMT
Yes Doom, spot on! Apologies if I set any alarm bells ringing but I was hoping to convey a 'tongue-in-cheek' impression, which I obviously failed with!
He sounded straight and appeared genuinely disappointed that I was in a hurry to get in front of the TV to watch the footie, but I explained my concern over security and he said ok he'll ring in the morning, and would I hold the bike? He got another blank on that too! Not a very helpful seller am I? But there's things you do and things you don't do on a bike/car sale, and he hit 2 of the 'don't do's'.
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Post by m40man on Feb 23, 2016 10:49:37 GMT
I did sense the hint of skepticism too - but my suggestion is a good first line of defense for the skeptics out there who have already got a phone number, maybe name & address (verifiable online) etc. BTW, my Nigerian second cousin has some useful investment advice for you, once you make the sale. I'll ask him to email you the details  . |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2016 13:15:45 GMT
The keen buyer from Sheffield got back to me this morning, he said he had a word with his bank and suggested I do the same with my bank and ask them to explain how a Bank Transfer works, then I will see that it's a genuine transaction. But by now I had soured on the deal. A guy from up the road in Chelmsford is calling this evening to view.
I got the bike out for a light clean-up, stood there watching it glistening in the sun and got quite sad when it dawned on me that it will probably be my last bike that I'm selling. I saw the ghosts of little Excelsiors and bigger Bonneville's and sleek Honda 4's, loads of Yamaha's rushing by. Had to walk away, too sad to think of.
If I have any aggro getting my asking price then it's back in the shed......
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Post by m40man on Feb 23, 2016 15:20:33 GMT
... he said he had a word with his bank and suggested I do the same with my bank and ask them to explain how a Bank Transfer works, then I will see that it's a genuine transaction. TBF to the guy, I use bank transfers quite often - sometimes for goodly amounts. Me having the recipient's bank account & sort code doesn't mean I can steal anything from him. All I can do is pay in money. |
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Post by HRHpenfold on Feb 23, 2016 18:23:39 GMT
... he said he had a word with his bank and suggested I do the same with my bank and ask them to explain how a Bank Transfer works, then I will see that it's a genuine transaction. TBF to the guy, I use bank transfers quite often - sometimes for goodly amounts. Me having the recipient's bank account & sort code doesn't mean I can steal anything from him. All I can do is pay in money. Correct, you need more than someone's sort code and account number in order to steal the money! To me it sounded likely genuine, Whereas being paid by a fake PayPal payment is much more likely, Just don't accept payment from abroad via bank transfer, because it looks like it's cleared in your account, but actually takes a couple of weeks to really clear, the scammers banking on the two weeks to get the goods before you realise it was cancelled! I have sold a few bikes via bank transfer, and bought a few! |
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Post by HRHpenfold on Feb 23, 2016 18:36:34 GMT
The more I think about this the more it has scam written all over it. A quick search on Autotrder shows 11 bikes within a 50 mile radius of Sheffield, why does he want yours so badly?. Two more suggestions. Use PayPal instead, or ask him to send a cheque and when it clears you will deliver the bike or he can pick it up. If he is that keen to have your bike then he should have no problems. Even if you give him your bank details and he transfers the money, he can reverse the transaction 5 mins after picking the bike up. He then has your bike, keys and V5, and you have no money. You can only recover money from an account in exceptional circumstances, there is no method to allow someone to cancel a payment after it's been sent, that doesn't include some work at the bank, reversing transactions is certainly not quick and easy, Do people still use cheque? I don't have a cheque book anymore, |
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Post by HRHpenfold on Feb 23, 2016 18:39:11 GMT
One last thing. If you have already given him your details I urge you most strongly to stop reading this and ring your bank, now! Why, there's nothing that can be done with someone's bank account numbers and sort code, only maliciously deposit money in! |
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Post by tomcat on Feb 23, 2016 20:25:18 GMT
It must be very difficult for Nigerian millionaires to buy bikes over the internet.......
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2016 22:13:55 GMT
I hear what you're saying regarding Bank Transfer but I have a real aversion to giving my bank details to anyone, I'm old skool, I even have a cheque book  |
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Post by GAv on Feb 24, 2016 0:01:44 GMT
The keen buyer from Sheffield got back to me this morning, he said he had a word with his bank and suggested I do the same with my bank and ask them to explain how a Bank Transfer works, then I will see that it's a genuine transaction. But by now I had soured on the deal. A guy from up the road in Chelmsford is calling this evening to view. I got the bike out for a light clean-up, stood there watching it glistening in the sun and got quite sad when it dawned on me that it will probably be my last bike that I'm selling. I saw the ghosts of little Excelsiors and bigger Bonneville's and sleek Honda 4's, loads of Yamaha's rushing by. Had to walk away, too sad to think of. If I have any aggro getting my asking price then it's back in the shed...... and??? |
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Post by ContourMac on Feb 24, 2016 8:08:58 GMT
I received an email a couple of weeks back by a very nice gentleman. Apparently he had brought a motorbike on ebay but and he wanted me to collect it and pay for it. He would have course transfer the funds into my bank account following the purchase if I gave him the account and sort code numbers. I was only too happy to oblige. Should I be worried?  |
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Post by bev on Feb 24, 2016 8:28:46 GMT
I received an email a couple of weeks back by a very nice gentleman. Apparently he had brought a motorbike on ebay but and he wanted me to collect it and pay for it. He would have course transfer the funds into my bank account following the purchase if I gave him the account and sort code numbers. I was only too happy to oblige. Should I be worried? Only if he frequents this site.
Why didn't he just transfer the funds to you prior to purchase ? 
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2016 10:43:11 GMT
The keen buyer from Sheffield got back to me this morning, he said he had a word with his bank and suggested I do the same with my bank and ask them to explain how a Bank Transfer works, then I will see that it's a genuine transaction. But by now I had soured on the deal. A guy from up the road in Chelmsford is calling this evening to view. I got the bike out for a light clean-up, stood there watching it glistening in the sun and got quite sad when it dawned on me that it will probably be my last bike that I'm selling. I saw the ghosts of little Excelsiors and bigger Bonneville's and sleek Honda 4's, loads of Yamaha's rushing by. Had to walk away, too sad to think of. If I have any aggro getting my asking price then it's back in the shed...... and??? Gav, in the end I changed my mind, I explained to the Sheffield caller that it was barmey to buy a 16 year bike unseen and kinda talked him out of it. The guy from Chelmsford I phoned and apparently he is a dealer (always a sign you've priced it too low I find!) and he asked me to note his phone number and call if I change my mind. So it's back in the shed Gav. Why you asking? You interested?!!!  |
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Post by HRHpenfold on Feb 24, 2016 11:57:30 GMT
I received an email a couple of weeks back by a very nice gentleman. Apparently he had brought a motorbike on ebay but and he wanted me to collect it and pay for it. He would have course transfer the funds into my bank account following the purchase if I gave him the account and sort code numbers. I was only too happy to oblige. Should I be worried? Sounds well dodgy too me, sucker! |
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Post by satnav on Feb 24, 2016 21:14:13 GMT
I received an email a couple of weeks back by a very nice gentleman. Apparently he had brought a motorbike on ebay but and he wanted me to collect it and pay for it. He would have course transfer the funds into my bank account following the purchase if I gave him the account and sort code numbers. I was only too happy to oblige. Using a dodgy banker's draft no doubt. |
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Post by satnav on Feb 24, 2016 21:22:51 GMT
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Post by m40man on Feb 24, 2016 21:57:43 GMT
That blog says "Those folks whose details were lost by HMRC (of whom I'm one) shouldn't have anything to worry about unless they've been daft enough to use dates of birth as PIN numbers". As for the Clarkson reference, I'm not sure how much more he revealed beyond his account number, sort code & address & full name. My cheques (yep, still got some!) & my debit card carry the sort code, account number & my name, so if keeping these secret is necessary it's long been impossible. |
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Post by GAv on Feb 24, 2016 22:17:09 GMT
That blog says "Those folks whose details were lost by HMRC (of whom I'm one) shouldn't have anything to worry about unless they've been daft enough to use dates of birth as PIN numbers". As for the Clarkson reference, I'm not sure how much more he revealed beyond his account number, sort code & address & full name. My cheques (yep, still got some!) & my debit card carry the sort code, account number & my name, so if keeping these secret is necessary it's long been impossible. Apparantly Clarksonhas made a formal apology agreed an out of court compo settlement ,to the producer he whacked, the Beeb are paying something toward the £100,000 I Reckon the waiter he lambasted also, should be offered the Andrew Sachs(Manuel)character part in a remake of Faulty Towers, with Clarkson taking the John Cleese role as Basil Faulty. |
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Post by teejayexc on Feb 24, 2016 22:30:31 GMT
That blog says "Those folks whose details were lost by HMRC (of whom I'm one) shouldn't have anything to worry about unless they've been daft enough to use dates of birth as PIN numbers". As for the Clarkson reference, I'm not sure how much more he revealed beyond his account number, sort code & address & full name. My cheques (yep, still got some!) & my debit card carry the sort code, account number & my name, so if keeping these secret is necessary it's long been impossible. Is paranoidman really telling someone else they're being paranoid ? I'm confused now  |
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Post by m40man on Feb 24, 2016 23:05:31 GMT
Is paranoidman really telling someone else they're being paranoid ? Told you before, I ain't paranoid  . (I know where you live  ) I'm confused now We all know that . |
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