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Post by flimsypiglet on May 30, 2010 16:34:03 GMT
Has anyone out there got fitted the Sandy stainless 4 into 1 system for D9's and can you recomend it and can you use luggage with it? Many thanks for replies, Rowan
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Post by brandane on May 30, 2010 20:39:57 GMT
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Post by newell on May 31, 2010 9:40:26 GMT
Although not really relevant to your questions, I have just fitted a 4 - 1 exhaust system from Sandy Bike Spares to my 98 D6. It went on easily enough and looks quite good. If ever I manage to get the bike running reliably I may be able to answer your questions  |
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Post by TwoHat on May 31, 2010 13:15:53 GMT
Can't see a 4 into 1 system for the 900 on their website - am I looking in the wrong place? www.sandybikespares.co.uk/products_by_bike/yamaha/xj900/xj900_s_diversionI would be interested in one myself if anyone has tried one - the only exhausts I can find on the web are copies of the standard 4 into 2 (Motad and Delkevic) - nobody seems to make a 4 into 1 as far as I can find. |
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Post by Padster on May 31, 2010 15:53:44 GMT
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Post by TwoHat on May 31, 2010 19:17:32 GMT
Thanks for that, they look tasty. I could be tempted.
Difficult to tell from the picture if the silencer would clear a pannier or not?
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Post by TwoHat on Jun 29, 2010 14:12:56 GMT
I emailed them to ask if the can would clear panniers, and they replied straight away saying they were designed with luggage in mind - so I've gone and ordered one!
I'll let you know how it all goes when I get round to fitting it. Looks like I might need to invest in a couple of gallons of PlusGas, looking at the state of the existing fastenings!
At least the new one will be all one piece, so no f@rting about with collector boxes and downpipes and gaskets - only bit to bother about seems to be where the pipes fit to the head - bit of copperslip on there do you reckon?
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Post by CD on Jun 29, 2010 14:59:48 GMT
If the socket nuts are stuck heat them with oxy/gas torch or arc weld. Try some force and you'll risk snapped studs. Dig out the old gaskets and use stainless dome nuts.
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Post by mikestrong on Jun 29, 2010 17:43:25 GMT
I'd be interested in knowing how it goes. Should be a weight reduction as well, think I saw 9kgs somewhere.
Pictures would be good when you've finished.
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Post by grafeoz on Jun 29, 2010 23:18:13 GMT
They look pretty good. Pics when on should be good.
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Post by TwoHat on Jun 30, 2010 20:33:35 GMT
Bought exhaust yesterday afternoon, arrived today! Awesome service. Looks very well made. The blurb on Ebay says it is 9kg lighter than the original and I don't doubt it, but can't be bothered to weigh it all to check. The can is fairly heavy but there is only the one and the pipes are lighter than the original pipes and collector box (even though the latter has been lightened by tinworm!) After an overnight soaking in WD40 the original fixings gave no trouble, and I think in the process I have isolated one of the rattles I couldn't find! The bolt securing the rubber mount on the collector box under the middle of the frame was loose (so loose it fell out when I loosened the flanges at the cylinder head). The new pipes went straight on with no problems, and seemed quite solid just hanging on the flanges from the cylinder head (there are no other mountings, just a strap for the can). The can is a good tight fit onto the tailpipe, adequate clamp provided. I wasn't quite happy using the strap provided to hang the can from the rear footrest mount - it seemed to leave a lot of weight overhanging it aft of the mount, so I made a link to hang it off the rear mount of the wingrack. As you can see from the following pics, there is bags of clearance for the panniers. It looks great from the offside, but i can't make up my mind about the nearside yet. Maybe its because of being used to seeing a silencer there, but it now looks cluttered with the centre stand and the side stand sitting out there on their own. I'll see if it still looks odd when i've looked at for a while longer. Its easier to keep the shaft housing and swingarm clean on that side now though  Haven't been out on it yet, but starting it up in the garage it didn't seem noisy, just had a bit more of a bark then the standard zorst. I'll let you know what its like on the road in a day or two. Excellent service from Sandy Bike Spares. Very pleased and will certainly deal with them again. the old and the new  plenty of clearance for the luggage. you can see the bit I made to hang the can from  from the front  from the rear quarter without the panniers  from the rear - just looking at this I wonder if the bump stop for the centre stand is slightly lower than before? I will check tomorrow  I realise now that I haven't taken a picture from the nearside. I will do that tomorrow if I get time. |
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Post by mikestrong on Jul 1, 2010 10:42:15 GMT
Looks good.
Looking forward to extra pics. how did you make the support for the can? A close-up would help us non-mechanical types.
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Post by TwoHat on Jul 1, 2010 12:15:47 GMT
Looks good. Looking forward to extra pics. how did you make the support for the can? A close-up would help us non-mechanical types. The support is cheap and cheerful, just a bit of 15mm stainless steel tube that I had lying around, flattened at both ends in a vice (but do it a bit at a time and let it blend gradually into round section so as not to crack it) with holes drilled at 165mm centres. Bolted straight onto wingrack mount at the top, and bolted to the strap on the can (supplied with the can) with a stainless bolt and nut and spacer (supplied with it). Just need to cut the bolt to length, and get rid of the rust on my wingrack! (It doesn't show unless you take a flash photy of it)! Sliding the strap along the can allows adjustment if you get the distance between the holes wrong  I think the head of the rear wheel spindle will just clear the can, but until I get a heavy passenger aboard and chuck it through some dips in the road I won't know for sure. Looking at it there might be only a few thou either way, so if it does touch I will probably just tap a flat in the side of the can with a rubber mallet or summat. It looks a bit bare from the left without the original silencer, but I think I will get used to it. Piccies:-   Where did that rust come from?  Hope this helps, and I'll report back when I have given it a proper test ride. (its raining atm but I don't need to worry about my new zorst going rusty 'cos its all shiny and stainless! I just can't be @rsed to put my waterproofs on!) Simon |
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Post by chunk166 on Jul 1, 2010 16:16:18 GMT
That looks really good,have you taken out the baffle,if it comes out? I have delkevic on my d9 sounds awesome with no baffles in, this is a little video of my cans  Ray |
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Post by Sean on Jul 1, 2010 21:01:16 GMT
Looks pretty bang on that - I am thining ... :-[urr I mean thinking I need one of those myself for my D9 - how is the access to the back brake caliper - good enough?
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Post by cam7777 on Jul 1, 2010 21:06:49 GMT
I am liking the look of the twin delkevics at the moment, could be tempted...
Ray, are they the short ones? 350mm??
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Post by chunk166 on Jul 1, 2010 21:24:12 GMT
Yes,they are the short cans,i thought the longer cans might not look as good,here is a pic from the side to show how they would look.  Ray |
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Post by doyle on Jul 2, 2010 0:00:53 GMT
Looks the ducks guts......
Is it an optical illusion, or does the system hang a little lower under the bike? Less ground clearance?
Greg
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Post by cam7777 on Jul 2, 2010 7:07:15 GMT
Nice one Ray!
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Post by TwoHat on Jul 3, 2010 15:41:55 GMT
That looks really good,have you taken out the baffle,if it comes out? I have delkevic on my d9 sounds awesome with no baffles in, Ray Hi Ray, that does indeed sound sweet. The baffle is removeable on this system, and I will try it out when I get a moment. It is quite subdued with the baffle in, hardly any louder than the standard zorst, but with a bit of a bark to it when you whack the throttle open. I think it should sound very good with the baffle out. Cheers, Simon |
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Post by TwoHat on Jul 3, 2010 16:05:26 GMT
Looks pretty bang on that - I am thining ... :-[urr I mean thinking I need one of those myself for my D9 - how is the access to the back brake caliper - good enough? Seems plenty of room to get at the caliper   and it looks as if there will be room to remove the rear wheel spindle too  HTH, Simon |
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Post by TwoHat on Jul 3, 2010 16:26:58 GMT
Looks the ducks guts...... Is it an optical illusion, or does the system hang a little lower under the bike? Less ground clearance? Greg You got me worried there - it does seem to hang a bit lower than it should - so much so that I've taken it all apart and refitted it to see if I've done something stupid (I may have done, but if so I'm too stupid to spot it!) It looks as if the angle where the downpipes bend into horizontal isn't quite tight enough - you can see in this pic:-  I've checked where the downpipes go into the exhaust ports in the cylinder head, and they are fully inserted at the only angle they will accept - no play there even with the nuts slackened right off - if I try lifting the can it only puts strain on the system so thats not the answer. It isn't far enough out to worry about IMHO, it won't ground unless I do some serious off-roading on it - the cornering clearance is probably no worse than the original because it is nicely tucked in - no wide collector box there to stick out - the footrests will touch before that anyway. The centre stand is a bit lower too as a result, but again, the footrests will touch long before the stand. I can slice half an inch off the bump-stop rubber if it proves necessary. The thing I noticed most when I took it out for a spin, was it felt much lighter - I don't know if I am imagining it, but I suppose 9kgs difference is significant (and I had a nearly empty tank too!) It ought to breathe a lot better, the original exhaust is all constricted with messy welds where the inner skin is fitted:-   and the plumbing in the collector box isn't brilliant:-  I will give it some stick over the next few days and report back, Simon |
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Post by flimsypiglet on Jul 3, 2010 18:00:01 GMT
Yeah, I agree alot lighter as I also got one fitted. Very pleased as is my bike moving hernia!
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Post by TwoHat on Jul 3, 2010 18:48:16 GMT
Quick update.
Decided I didn't like my bodged bracket, or the line the pipes were taking under the engine, so I've moved the can strap onto the passenger footrest bolt (where i think it was designed to go).
It has meant putting the pipes under strain a bit, but I don't think it will come to harm. Where the downpipes join the head is 4 good solid connections held by 8 good bolts, so hopefully nothing will go wrong at that end, perhaps the pipes will alter their bend a bit under the influence of heat (they do seem to get *very* hot - they are already starting to look a nice light gold colour as they get near the head).
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Post by Sean on Jul 3, 2010 20:01:24 GMT
Thanks for the info and pictures of the clearance for the back caliper....looks like a well made and cheaper and mayby better exhaust than the original.
I agree - it looks very very weird on the left side now without the can there.....naked even!
Your sure to get used to it after while though.
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Post by doyle on Jul 4, 2010 3:03:11 GMT
Thanks TH.
Looks like the the lower bend where it tucks under the engine could be a little tighter, and the next bend a little flatter (if that makes sense!)
Still, nice looking system. Interested to see how you get on after a few weeks.
We don't have the corrosion issues here, so the 4 into 2 OEM systems live long and prosper. I'm especially interested in the lighter weight.....
Greg
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Post by awratemiduck on Jul 4, 2010 11:06:07 GMT
eh yup y'all , ordered this system from sandy bikes at 2pm thursday afternoon , arrived friday morning , on bike friday afternoon , and same as some on here , did'nt quite like how it hung ( the exhuast that is ) so stripped it all back off , then just put the down pipes in and supported them so they were the right angle , and then just equally tightened the bolts a bit at a time !! then attached the can using the strap to the footpeg hanger, and hey presto , sounds great , but better with baffle out . and i defo ' feel the difference in weight, ( i am vertically challenged at 5ft 6 ) and have been struggling with the bike, the bike also does seem to breath and run better, but i reckon i need the carbs balanced, but for the price i would defo recomend this even over my old motad on a previous d6
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Post by cam7777 on Jul 4, 2010 11:49:28 GMT
Looks the ducks guts...... Is it an optical illusion, or does the system hang a little lower under the bike? Less ground clearance? Greg You got me worried there - it does seem to hang a bit lower than it should - so much so that I've taken it all apart and refitted it to see if I've done something stupid (I may have done, but if so I'm too stupid to spot it!) It looks as if the angle where the downpipes bend into horizontal isn't quite tight enough - you can see in this pic:- Simon This is mine with standard cans for comparison  |
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Post by TwoHat on Jul 4, 2010 12:27:10 GMT
Thanks for that. This is what mine looks like now:-  Just hope it doesn't snap the retaining strap - it is under a fair bit of tension. |
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Post by cam7777 on Jul 4, 2010 12:34:18 GMT
Just a though, what would happen if you were to loosen and then retighten the downtube bolts?
Would that relieve some of the tension and then seal ok when retightened??
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